There are plenty of atheists who seem to think 'believe' is a dirty word and use it as a synonym for faith unsupported by evidence.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
I have some questions for the posters here.
|
There are plenty of atheists who seem to think 'believe' is a dirty word and use it as a synonym for faith unsupported by evidence.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
RE: I have some questions for the posters here.
June 28, 2021 at 11:47 am
(This post was last modified: June 28, 2021 at 11:56 am by Angrboda.)
(June 28, 2021 at 11:36 am)Frank Apisa Wrote:(June 28, 2021 at 11:30 am)Angrboda Wrote: Ignoring that you've gone back and forth on this like you've got Alzheimer's, you haven't provided any reason to believe that this is true. Your assertion, while incredulous, isn't a valid argument.What in the name of horseshit would make you think that I want you to "believe" that it is true? Fine. Then let me put it a different way. You have given no valid argument justifying guessing, estimating, or having an opinion that your assertion is true. Why should someone who doesn't share your view adopt your view? I get it. You think something is true that you have no good reason or argument to think is true. All you've got is an incredulous assertion. That and six bucks will get you a cup of coffee. If all you've got is your assertion and your incredulity, your opinion on the matter is easily dismissed. If you think you've justified your opinion, then you are wrong. Do you think it's true that the assertion "There are no gods" is an assertion of such universal magnitude that there is no way to prove it? RE: I have some questions for the posters here.
June 28, 2021 at 11:56 am
(This post was last modified: June 28, 2021 at 11:59 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Sure frank , we can discuss it, but it probably won’t take long- and I think it’s more productive to get at your guess that came towards the end.
I consider two propositions. One being that you do not “do belief”, the other being your strong claim and constant reassertion of x. If the second claim is true, which is to say a genuine position that you hold, then you are “doing belief”....-and strongly. If the first claim is true, which is to say an accurate comment on what you do or don’t do...then obviously you cannot believe in the second claim. Now, you’ll notice I called it x, above? This is a courtesy, you don’t have to bicker with me over whether or not you believe the things you assert as facts, I don’t care what you call x, I want to know why you x that particular thing. I don’t have any interest in making you prove anything. Why do you x that no one can know whether or not gods exist? What is the explanation for that position? What basis for making that assertion, rational or otherwise?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
(June 28, 2021 at 11:47 am)Angrboda Wrote:(June 28, 2021 at 11:36 am)Frank Apisa Wrote: What in the name of horseshit would make you think that I want you to "believe" that it is true? Yes. RE: I have some questions for the posters here.
June 28, 2021 at 12:02 pm
(This post was last modified: June 28, 2021 at 12:03 pm by Angrboda.)
(June 28, 2021 at 11:57 am)Frank Apisa Wrote:(June 28, 2021 at 11:47 am)Angrboda Wrote: Fine. Then let me put it a different way. You have given no valid argument justifying guessing, estimating, or having an opinion that your assertion is true. Why should someone who doesn't share your view adopt your view? Then according to standard usage, you believe it. I get that you don't like the word believe, but your opinions don't dictate the meaning of a word; usage does. Now, do you have a good justification for thinking that this is true? Your justifications so far have been invalid. Incredulity and ipse dixit arguments only suggest you're a bit unintelligent. Why should someone who doesn't share your view adopt your view?
Excellent why? Can you describe the magnitude or magnitude barrier beyond which knowledge is inaccessible or impossible. Does any other question fit in that space or exist beyond that boundary, and....if so.... what...?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
RE: I have some questions for the posters here.
June 28, 2021 at 12:06 pm
(This post was last modified: June 28, 2021 at 12:07 pm by LadyForCamus.)
(June 28, 2021 at 12:02 pm)Angrboda Wrote:(June 28, 2021 at 11:57 am)Frank Apisa Wrote: Yes. “Ipse dixit.” I’ve learned so many new words and terms from you over the years.
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”
Wiser words were never spoken. RE: I have some questions for the posters here.
June 28, 2021 at 12:17 pm
(This post was last modified: June 28, 2021 at 12:20 pm by Frank Apisa.)
(June 28, 2021 at 12:02 pm)Angrboda Wrote:(June 28, 2021 at 11:57 am)Frank Apisa Wrote: Yes. (June 28, 2021 at 12:03 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Excellent why? Can you describe the magnitude or magnitude barrier beyond which knowledge is inaccessible or impossible. No, I cannot. But as Justice Potter Stewart said about pornography, "I now it when I see it." "There are no gods" fits it. [/quote] Quote:[quote pid='2046568' dateline='1624896204']I'm sure there are many. Think on it yourself...and maybe you can come up with something. I'm not jumping through hoops for you. [/quote]
I no longer have a desire to answer the philosophical secrets in proving the existence of God, because, frankly, they have all failed absolutely, and it is nothing more than a miserable attempt to continue the domination of the nightmare of religion on society.
RE: I have some questions for the posters here.
June 28, 2021 at 1:27 pm
(This post was last modified: June 28, 2021 at 1:29 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Well, if you can’t describe why you hold the position that you do, why you reject the position I hold, or any other example of some similar thing....it’s unclear how you expected to have a conversation about this subject.
You know what you see, so it must amount to a difference between what you and I see....and I wonder, wasn’t that always going to be the explanation for why one person can’t know something that another person can?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
|
« Next Oldest | Next Newest »
|