The reason religion is so powerful

[The Architect Of Fate]

Meh, I think that one might be more malthusian fantasy than biological reality. There's definitely still an advantage to controlling the breeding population and..basically, fucking the other guy to death. That's always been why the abrahamics are so concerned with the issue.

When islamists put girls in breeding pens to pump out a couple more generations of islamists, we'll have ourselves a real world demonstration to that effect. In fact, we already have. The trick to seeing this quickly and clearly, is to remember that evolutionary advantages aren't necessarily good things. You might think it would be good to curb overpopulation - but you'll lose that argument (and in fact every argument) to the population that outbreeds you over evolutionary time. You might think..well, that's conflict between humans, the contention is that it would be advantageous to humans....another trick, advantageous to the humans that are left - and conflict between humans is already advantageous to human populations. You could always cast the rest of life and indeed the earth itself as the hated other guy, as well, if that helps. It's never the case with human beings that more human beings isn't fundamentally helpful to human populations. We're what they call a hypersocial species. There aren't alot of us because we're successful - we're successful when there are alot of us.

Give us a few mild winters and generally low predation, and every other living thing is going to have a human problem on it's hands. The rocks and sand themselves will have a human problem. I think that might be why we believe in bootstrapping. An animal who's population exploded because more of them were shitting on more crops more of the time with fewer interruptions, rinse and repeat.

I'm sorry I simply don't buy that. While Agree Malthusian is for the most part nonsense. I nonetheless think there is a point where too many of us get detrimental in the long run. But I'm really not interested in turning this into a debate. So I'll leave it there.

[The Grand Nudger]

I get that, I do. However..and the rule of howevers being that you can discard anything before the however.....think of us like an infection, like a fungal colony. Like an algal bloom. There's no point at which more of us is a bad thing -for us-. A bad thing for earth? Sure. A bad thing for everything else? Sure. Even, in some conceptual sense, a bad thing for any one of us? Maybe...but..... population genetics doesn't give a shit about an individual. Just as population genetics deosn't care if you...personally...starve to death from overpopulation, it also doesn't give a shit if some group of people, large or small..are completely enslaved for effect.

Abrahamic religion is a fit idea regardless of whether it's true. It would be advantageous to imprison and control the breeding population, even if it wouldn't be right to do so.

The god botherer seems to believe as much, anyway, and we should believe him when he tells us what he is. When he imagines what would be true -of him- if he stopped believing in his childish god, we can trust that he would do all of that, that's how he'd see it, and we cant make an evolutionary argument against it. Have at it buddy, is all we can truly say. You do you, dodge the bullets, and maybe one day you'll have a harem. It's worked out that way for other people, after all.

The malthusian dream is the same claim, at it's base. Control of the breeding population, high numbers or low. Our islamist friend is only indicating that it would be advantageous to him if he could make a few million more of him. He's right, and he's also (embarrasingly) human.

[Drich]

It is quite common to listen people saying that political ideologies, for example, can be as dangerous as religion. Nonetheless, I disagree with this statement.

The reason religion is so powerful is because of the concept of God. God is above everything. The universe, the Earth, humanity, were created by God. Since religion exists due to God, then religion is above everything too. Above politics, countries, economy, etc.  

Life after death, for example, is exclusive to religion. No political ideology promises you heaven after death. Religion tells you you will meet your parents after death, and reunite. No political ideology promises this.

This is why religion is so dangerous. Since God is above everything, so is religion, as the cause of its existence is God, and God is absolute. So your beliefs are absolute.

So.. Nazism and hitler's plan is/was less powerful than benny hinn and the hour of power...
The Stalin's russia who is said to have killed 60 million people in his reign alone is less dangerous than joel ostien's world or word of faith ministry?
That communist china (atheist by force country) who has recently/potentially released the woohan virus on us. Who has Potentially in the 100s of millions, put people in prison, make whole families disappear for political reasons/opposition to the state put people in reeducation camps. our right starved out conquored and destroyed any one who is smaller than them and opposes communist china rule. has a standing army in the 10s o millions, is less of a threat than say all of christianity, then you are a brain washed zombie.

sheep-heart there is no greater terrestrial threat to anything not communist chinese than china. and guess what communist china is not a religion, there is no god ruling it and still as a country threaten the rest of the world in a very serious and real way.

if you don't think so give it 20 years. if we are still here, we can finish this discussion in mandarin from our reeducation camps...

[no one]

With dullard dimwits drick duplicates, is it really any wonder why the delusion is so deeply drenched?

[Abaddon_ire]

With dullard dimwits drick duplicates, is it really any wonder why the delusion is so deeply drenched?

Ah, Alliteration. Always adds amusement to my already assured air.