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New theistic chew toys wanted!
RE: New theistic chew toys wanted!
(August 28, 2021 at 10:19 am)Deesse23 Wrote:
(August 27, 2021 at 8:53 pm)Ahriman Wrote: Truth isn't worth much if it makes you miserable.

Lets assume your doctor tells you tomorrow that you have terminal cancer. What do you do? Accept the truth and feel miserable, or pretend you dont have cancer?
Obviously you should just pretend you don't have cancer, as you're going to die, either way.
"Imagination, life is your creation"
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RE: New theistic chew toys wanted!
(August 28, 2021 at 10:21 am)Ahriman Wrote:
(August 28, 2021 at 10:19 am)Deesse23 Wrote: Lets assume your doctor tells you tomorrow that you have terminal cancer. What do you do? Accept the truth and feel miserable, or pretend you dont have cancer?
Obviously you should just pretend you don't have cancer, as you're going to die, either way.
What
would
you
do
?
Cetero censeo religionem delendam esse
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RE: New theistic chew toys wanted!
(August 28, 2021 at 10:28 am)Deesse23 Wrote:
(August 28, 2021 at 10:21 am)Ahriman Wrote: Obviously you should just pretend you don't have cancer, as you're going to die, either way.
What
would
you
do
?
I would accept that I have terminal cancer, and that I'm going to die soon, and be happy anyway.
"Imagination, life is your creation"
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RE: New theistic chew toys wanted!
(August 28, 2021 at 9:28 am)Ahriman Wrote:
(August 28, 2021 at 9:20 am)vulcanlogician Wrote: If your belief in God brings you happiness, Ahri, I'm cool with that. IMO, it's one of the valid reasons to believe.

But don't you suspect some people are happy without that belief?

edit: I'm a beer man, btw. Rum for cheap liquor and whiskey when it's the good stuff.
I've always been happy, even before I knew what Catholicism really was. But I feel like I've always believed in God, on some level, so I attribute my happiness to my belief in God. Honestly, I can't fathom how a person could be happy without believing in God, but if someone tells me they're happy, and they don't believe in God, I suppose I have no choice but to take their word for it.

Sure you can, and you probably know people who simply are happy without believing in your god.  What you must mean to say here is that you can't imagine that you would be happy if you didn't believe in your god.  

It's related to the notion that there could be no x value, or value x, outside of a belief in whatever sort of god a person fancies.
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RE: New theistic chew toys wanted!
(August 28, 2021 at 10:31 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote:
(August 28, 2021 at 9:28 am)Ahriman Wrote: I've always been happy, even before I knew what Catholicism really was. But I feel like I've always believed in God, on some level, so I attribute my happiness to my belief in God. Honestly, I can't fathom how a person could be happy without believing in God, but if someone tells me they're happy, and they don't believe in God, I suppose I have no choice but to take their word for it.

Sure you can, and you probably know people who simply are happy without believing in your god.  What you must mean to say here is that you can't imagine that you would be happy if you didn't believe in your god.  

It's related to the notion that there could be no x value, or value x, outside of a belief in whatever sort of god a person fancies.
I only know one.......an atheist girl. She is very happy. I am very happy.
"Imagination, life is your creation"
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RE: New theistic chew toys wanted!
(August 28, 2021 at 10:36 am)Ahriman Wrote:
(August 28, 2021 at 10:31 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Sure you can, and you probably know people who simply are happy without believing in your god.  What you must mean to say here is that you can't imagine that you would be happy if you didn't believe in your god.  

It's related to the notion that there could be no x value, or value x, outside of a belief in whatever sort of god a person fancies.
I only know one.......an atheist girl. She is very happy. I am very happy.

bold mine -

I believe the description is "deliriously happy".
I'm your huckleberry.
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RE: New theistic chew toys wanted!
(August 28, 2021 at 10:29 am)Ahriman Wrote:
(August 28, 2021 at 10:28 am)Deesse23 Wrote: What
would
you
do
?
I would accept that I have terminal cancer, and that I'm going to die soon, and be happy anyway.



Quote:Obviously you should just pretend you don't have cancer, as you're going to die, either way.
Why wouldn't you follow your own advice?
Cetero censeo religionem delendam esse
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RE: New theistic chew toys wanted!
(August 28, 2021 at 10:59 am)arewethereyet Wrote:
(August 28, 2021 at 10:36 am)Ahriman Wrote: I only know one.......an atheist girl. She is very happy. I am very happy.

bold mine -

I believe the description is "deliriously happy".
Lol, no.......I wouldn't go that far. Just reasonably, healthily happy and content.

(August 28, 2021 at 11:01 am)Deesse23 Wrote:
(August 28, 2021 at 10:29 am)Ahriman Wrote: I would accept that I have terminal cancer, and that I'm going to die soon, and be happy anyway.



Quote:Obviously you should just pretend you don't have cancer, as you're going to die, either way.
Why wouldn't you follow your own advice?
You got me on that one. Either way, I would be happy, so it doesn't really matter which one I chose.
"Imagination, life is your creation"
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RE: New theistic chew toys wanted!
(August 28, 2021 at 11:01 am)Ahriman Wrote:
(August 28, 2021 at 10:59 am)arewethereyet Wrote: bold mine -

I believe the description is "deliriously happy".
Lol, no.......i wouldn't go that far. Just reasonably, healthily happy and content.

(August 28, 2021 at 11:01 am)Deesse23 Wrote: Why wouldn't you follow your own advice?
You got me on that one. Either way, I would be happy, so it doesn't really matter which one I chose.

Don't predict how you'd react to a cancer diagnosis. You have no clue.

Reality doesn't always align with your rainbows and butterflies imagining of something you haven't experienced.
I'm your huckleberry.
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RE: New theistic chew toys wanted!
(August 28, 2021 at 11:59 am)arewethereyet Wrote:
(August 28, 2021 at 11:01 am)Ahriman Wrote: Lol, no.......i wouldn't go that far. Just reasonably, healthily happy and content.

You got me on that one. Either way, I would be happy, so it doesn't really matter which one I chose.

Don't predict how you'd react to a cancer diagnosis.  You have no clue.

Reality doesn't always align with your rainbows and butterflies imagining of something you haven't experienced.
You are technically correct. I just tend to frame my personal "what if" queries about life, in a positive way, as opposed to negative. I've never experienced anything overwhelmingly negative in my whole life, and I hope I never do. But if something like that should ever happen, I pray it passes quickly.......of course, I haven't prayed in many years, but you get what I'm saying.
"Imagination, life is your creation"
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