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RE: Why are angels always males?
May 6, 2021 at 8:44 pm
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(May 6, 2021 at 5:45 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: The certainty that angels are male because of their name isn' t quite as sure that the girl you met at Mardi Gras being female because she has a nice set of tits....
Quote:Non-gendered or nonbinary pronouns are not gender specific and are most often used by people who identify outside of a gender binary. The most common set of nonbinary pronouns is they/them/their used in the singular (e.g., Jadzia identifies as genderqueer; they do not see themselves as either a woman or a man). Other nonbinary pronouns include ze (pronounced “zee”) in place of she/he, and hir (pronounced “here”) in place of his/him/her (e.g., Jadzia runs hir own business, but ze is more well-known as an author). The terms “it” or “he-she” are slurs used against transgender and gender-nonconforming individuals, and should not be used.
https://springfield.edu/gender-pronouns
Angels are outside the "gender binary", it is childish, Anthropomorphic too to attribute gender to something you don't know.
For example; a black hole..is it male or female ?
Pretty childish question, right? but isn't assuming a gender must apply to angels and to God is an ambiguous, medieval mentality?
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RE: Why are angels always males?
May 6, 2021 at 8:53 pm
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(May 6, 2021 at 8:44 pm)WinterHold Wrote: (May 6, 2021 at 5:45 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: The certainty that angels are male because of their name isn' t quite as sure that the girl you met at Mardi Gras being female because she has a nice set of tits....
Quote:Non-gendered or nonbinary pronouns are not gender specific and are most often used by people who identify outside of a gender binary. The most common set of nonbinary pronouns is they/them/their used in the singular (e.g., Jadzia identifies as genderqueer; they do not see themselves as either a woman or a man). Other nonbinary pronouns include ze (pronounced “zee”) in place of she/he, and hir (pronounced “here”) in place of his/him/her (e.g., Jadzia runs hir own business, but ze is more well-known as an author). The terms “it” or “he-she” are slurs used against transgender and gender-nonconforming individuals, and should not be used.
https://springfield.edu/gender-pronouns
Angels are outside the "gender binary", it is childish, Anthropomorphic too to attribute gender to something you don't know.
For example; a black hole..is it male or female ?
Pretty childish question, right? but isn't assuming a gender must apply to angels and to God is an ambiguous, medieval mentality?
Angels are depicted as humanlike. That's why tend to appear as a specific gender.
A lot of languages assign genders (or at least the masculine or the feminine) to inanimate objects, so that's really not a childish attribute.
Check out the Spanish language.
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RE: Why are angels always males?
September 22, 2021 at 10:19 pm
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(April 19, 2021 at 6:15 am)Belacqua Wrote: (April 19, 2021 at 6:03 am)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: What about the fallen angels having sex with earth women and those women bearing children? Can't do that without a penis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephilim
(April 19, 2021 at 6:50 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (April 19, 2021 at 6:03 am)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: What about the fallen angels having sex with earth women and those women bearing children? Can't do that without a penis.
Why not? God knocked up Mary without a penis.
Boru
The first human made by the jewish god is Adam, who is a male, therefore, that is the primary gender. Later on, he makes the nameless women and eventually, the name “Eve” shows up.
Of course, one could argue that the initial Adam was genderless and then the jewish god makes him into a male, however, that is not written in the Tanakh.
Irreligious Atheist wrote
“What about the fallen angels having sex with earth women and those women bearing children? Can't do that without a penis.”
but the tanakh doesn’t state that they were fallen angels. It just says
Genesis 6:4 KING JAMES VERSION
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
So, if the claim that you are making is that they did magic and a fetus appeared in the uterus of human females, then why is there a need for human females?
Just make a baby appear magically, or just make a 10 y old appear magically.
The same applies to Mary and her child. There is no need for Mary. There is no need for Jesus to be a fetus and spend 9 months inside Mary.
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RE: Why are angels always males?
September 22, 2021 at 10:28 pm
(April 10, 2021 at 9:24 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: So some of the angels names are Michael, Uriel, Raphael, even Gabriel means "man of God" or "hero of God".
But how come there are never women angels? Maybe with names like Daria, Melissa, or Belinda?
Because, even in polytheism, in all of antiquity the deities/god/gods/ mythological characters antiquity was patriarchal. Even the head gods of Egypt and Rome and Greece, all had male top gods.
While polytheism, depending on era or sect, had female angels, they still were not the top deity, but at best tokens.
Most humans worldwide were centered around male kingships, and most humans stupidly thought that brawn and being male was better than being female, and that females were simply icons at best, but for most, fields for men to plant their seed in.
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RE: Why are angels always males?
September 22, 2021 at 10:28 pm
(May 6, 2021 at 8:53 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: (May 6, 2021 at 8:44 pm)WinterHold Wrote: Angels are outside the "gender binary", it is childish, Anthropomorphic too to attribute gender to something you don't know.
For example; a black hole..is it male or female ?
Pretty childish question, right? but isn't assuming a gender must apply to angels and to God is an ambiguous, medieval mentality?
Angels are depicted as humanlike. That's why tend to appear as a specific gender.
A lot of languages assign genders (or at least the masculine or the feminine) to inanimate objects, so that's really not a childish attribute.
Check out the Spanish language.
That is true. I know that french is like that.
For example,
la chaise (the chair. The chair is considered as feminine)
le table (the table. The table is considered as masculine)
la fille (the girl)
le garçon (the boy)
WinterHold wrote:
“For example; a black hole..is it male or female?
Pretty childish question, right? but isn't assuming a gender must apply to angels and to God is an ambiguous, medieval mentality?”
I think he should have asked
Is it logical? Is there a reasonable reason for
la chaise
le table
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RE: Why are angels always males?
September 22, 2021 at 10:57 pm
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RE: Why are angels always males?
September 22, 2021 at 11:04 pm
(April 10, 2021 at 11:50 pm)Belacqua Wrote: (April 10, 2021 at 9:24 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: Daria, Melissa, or Belinda?
You know, the Bible wasn't written in English. The name Michael is an anglicization of מי כאל.
In other languages this can be Miguel or Mikhail or Michel. Plenty of women are given the same name, though written in a feminine form to avoid confusion. For example Michelle.
So the names of the genderless angels are used for both sexes.
I don’t understand. How has it been determined that angels are genderless?
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RE: Why are angels always males?
September 23, 2021 at 12:07 am
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..angels are male and female?
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RE: Why are angels always males?
September 23, 2021 at 4:01 pm
(September 22, 2021 at 11:04 pm)Ferrocyanide Wrote: (April 10, 2021 at 11:50 pm)Belacqua Wrote: You know, the Bible wasn't written in English. The name Michael is an anglicization of מי כאל.
In other languages this can be Miguel or Mikhail or Michel. Plenty of women are given the same name, though written in a feminine form to avoid confusion. For example Michelle.
So the names of the genderless angels are used for both sexes.
I don’t understand. How has it been determined that angels are genderless?
Religion is nothing more than mythology that is a blip in human history. There was no written or organized religion 200,000 years ago. And when the sun runs out of energy and collapses or expands, and fries our solar system, all life on earth will die. But that will be billions of years from now. But long before even that happens, humans as a species will be long gone, just like the dinosaurs. That is not being fatalistic. Even after my blip of a life ends, I'd like to think my species can extend it's ride as long as possible. But there still in the end is no utopia or afterlife.
I don't care if people want to argue that Angels are solely male or female or both, it is still a projection of human desires in comic book form.
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RE: Why are angels always males?
September 23, 2021 at 10:58 pm
(September 23, 2021 at 4:01 pm)Brian37 Wrote: (September 22, 2021 at 11:04 pm)Ferrocyanide Wrote: I don’t understand. How has it been determined that angels are genderless?
Religion is nothing more than mythology that is a blip in human history. There was no written or organized religion 200,000 years ago. And when the sun runs out of energy and collapses or expands, and fries our solar system, all life on earth will die. But that will be billions of years from now. But long before even that happens, humans as a species will be long gone, just like the dinosaurs. That is not being fatalistic. Even after my blip of a life ends, I'd like to think my species can extend it's ride as long as possible. But there still in the end is no utopia or afterlife.
I don't care if people want to argue that Angels are solely male or female or both, it is still a projection of human desires in comic book form.
I guess you are an atheist and so am I.
It is abundantly clear to me that all religions are man made. I think the only difference between religion and mythology is that religion is believed and practiced by live humans while a mythology use to be a religion. That’s a case of evolution of religion, survival of the best fit (cylinder fits into round hole, fitting into circumstances) religion.
(September 22, 2021 at 11:04 pm)Brian37 Wrote: But that will be billions of years from now.
4.9 billion y into the future.
The age of the Sun is 4.7 billion.
But it is still fun to talk about these religions.
For example, there doesn’t seem to be much detail about angels in the Bible but we still have to keep in mind that the jewish god made Adam first.
Is that just some accident? Did the genderless god just flip a coin and randomly chose to make a male first? Or maybe the jewish god is male and there are some female gods that the Bible doesn’t mention? Maybe the jewish god considers himself, the male, the superior gender.
If we are going to just claim for no reason that angels are genderless, then I could claim Adam and Eve aren’t humans. Perhaps they are hermaphrodites and something entirely new. They weren’t mammals, they weren’t fish, not birds, not reptiles, ...
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