Why does science always upstage God?

[The Grand Nudger]

I didn't say you consciously think those things because gods don't exist. They are more like default consequences. So take biology for example: God doesn't exist so we weren't created by God so our origin necessarily comes from nature and biology and the prevailing theory is evolution. Evolution satisfies your worldview and so its easy to accept.

The trouble is that this isn't why I accept biology.  Nor is biology the reason I don't believe in gods. I breed plants and animals.  It's not because I don't believe in god that biology must work....and, buddy, evolutionary biology certainly doesn't satisfy my actual worldview. I'm not looking to nature for instruction on the good life for all of the same reasons I don't and wouldn't look to gods for the same, existent or otherwise. I don't think I've ever spent any time looking out across the ridges thinking "if it's good enough for a bobcat, it's good enough for me!".

You're not capable of abandoning this are you?  Well, good luck I guess.  It never goes well. You aren't going to learn anything or understand anything better when it's over. You'll have asserted your beliefs, not challenged them.

[ayost]

You'll never hear me say, for example..that we shouldn't write a gods laws into our own because gods don't exist.  Or that I accept biology because gods don't exist.  Or that there's only one kind of stuff because gods don't exist.  I think that you're falling into the rut of insisting an untrue thing be true - and it's not going to help you understand atheism or challenge your beliefs.  Your god could come down and tell me he can't stand hookers and that won't change my position on the matter, either.

You might have to accept, at some point, that my worldview is typical for a person in my society, and even typical to other people in my society who also consider themselves christians.  I don;t actually think that I'm particularly unique (pretty much the opposite..I enjoy being a human cog in a massive grinding wheel, interchangeable, replaceable).  I don't know what you hope to accomplish by continually insisting this, above..beyond trying to salvage some prepared points that you showed up with that would have failed anyway.

I didn't say you consciously think those things because gods don't exist. They are more like default consequences. So take biology for example: God doesn't exist so we weren't created by God so our origin necessarily comes from nature and biology and the prevailing theory is evolution. Evolution satisfies your worldview and so its easy to accept.

Like that, not like a robot, "I am atheist. Must believe science."

Dude, I started by saying that presuppositions drive worldview and no one is a neutral truth seeker. That was prepared, but you drove the rest of this conversation.

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Or that only you consider ignorant, superior much?

Or Wednesday, or Thursday. And this is coming from 'christian' scholars. 

Oh crap, inconsistencies. Maybe it's from the ignorant ones.

You'll have to be more specific. You barely said anything. You didn't quote any scholars or state the inconsistency in a way i can respond to it. Can you give me more?

Ok, so what is the inconsistency in the BIBLE. What in the BIBLE is inconsistent. Stop telling me what scholars say.

[brewer]

Or that only you consider ignorant, superior much?

Or Wednesday, or Thursday. And this is coming from 'christian' scholars. 

Oh crap, inconsistencies. Maybe it's from the ignorant ones.

You'll have to be more specific. You barely said anything. You didn't quote any scholars or state the inconsistency in a way i can respond to it. Can you give me more?

https://www.bible-truth.org/WhatDayDidChristDie.html
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-day-c..._b_6999324
https://reasonsforhopejesus.com/crucified/
https://penelope.uchicago.edu/~grout/enc...jesus.html
https://www.christianity.com/jesus/death...s-die.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixio...Chronology

Inconsistent, or maybe interpretation? Didn't you claim neither can happen.

Are you the only bible scholar that has it right?

Edit: Here are some others to ponder once you've finished with the previous: https://www.patheos.com/blogs/crossexami...adictions/

[The Grand Nudger]

It might be even more ludicrous to tie ones god to a belief in a magic book than it is to tie that same god into demonstrably false beliefs about others and worldviews.

[ayost]

You'll have to be more specific. You barely said anything. You didn't quote any scholars or state the inconsistency in a way i can respond to it. Can you give me more?

https://www.bible-truth.org/WhatDayDidChristDie.html
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-day-c..._b_6999324
https://reasonsforhopejesus.com/crucified/
https://penelope.uchicago.edu/~grout/enc...jesus.html
https://www.christianity.com/jesus/death...s-die.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixio...Chronology

Inconsistent, or maybe interpretation? Didn't you claim neither can happen.

Are you the only bible scholar that has it right?

Edit: Here are some others to ponder once you've finished with the previous: https://www.patheos.com/blogs/crossexami...adictions/

No I didn't claim neither can happen. I said people can be wrong. The Bible is not wrong.

The Bible says either the day before the Sabbath, or the Sabbath was the next day, or The Preparation Day, or the day of preparation.

The Sabbath is Saturday so the day before would be Friday.

The Bible was written in Greek and the Greek word for Friday translates to 'preparation day".

So where is the inconsistency in the Bible?

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It might be even more ludicrous to tie ones god to a belief in a magic book than it is to tie that same god into demonstrably false beliefs about others and worldviews.

I don't understand.

[The Grand Nudger]

I know.

[ayost]

You'll have to be more specific. You barely said anything. You didn't quote any scholars or state the inconsistency in a way i can respond to it. Can you give me more?

https://www.bible-truth.org/WhatDayDidChristDie.html
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-day-c..._b_6999324
https://reasonsforhopejesus.com/crucified/
https://penelope.uchicago.edu/~grout/enc...jesus.html
https://www.christianity.com/jesus/death...s-die.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixio...Chronology

Inconsistent, or maybe interpretation? Didn't you claim neither can happen.

Are you the only bible scholar that has it right?

Edit: Here are some others to ponder once you've finished with the previous: https://www.patheos.com/blogs/crossexami...adictions/

The article in your edit is the standard list of supposed contradictions. All of these supposed contradictions have been dealt with. There are volumes written on the subject. A second Google search looking for the Christian response to these contradictions would answer your questions.

But I will do the first one in the article for you: The verse in 1 John 5:18 is Johns writing about sinning as a believer. Just a few verses before this he talks about Christians that sin and that we should pray for them. And then according to the translation in the article John says "No one who is born of God sins."

So why would he say pray for sinning believers and then two sentences later say believers don't sin. That makes no sense. So lets dig deeper.

In the Greek, the word used for "sins" in 'No one born of God sins" actually translates to "continues to sin" from the Greek word harmartenai. So it's the idea of continuing to live in a sin after you are saved. As in not trying to stop sinning. Believers don't do that. They sin, but they hate their sin and they try to stop it. The Greek language is much better at communicating actions with their verbs and this is an verb denotes an action that began at some point and is continually repeated.

So, see, no contradiction.

[brewer]

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https://www.bible-truth.org/WhatDayDidChristDie.html
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-day-c..._b_6999324
https://reasonsforhopejesus.com/crucified/
https://penelope.uchicago.edu/~grout/enc...jesus.html
https://www.christianity.com/jesus/death...s-die.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixio...Chronology

Inconsistent, or maybe interpretation? Didn't you claim neither can happen.

Are you the only bible scholar that has it right?

Edit: Here are some others to ponder once you've finished with the previous: https://www.patheos.com/blogs/crossexami...adictions/

The article in your edit is the standard list of supposed contradictions. All of these supposed contradictions have been dealt with. There are volumes written on the subject. A second Google search looking for the Christian response to these contradictions would answer your questions.

But I will do the first one in the article for you: The verse in 1 John 5:18 is Johns writing about sinning as a believer. Just a few verses before this he talks about Christians that sin and that we should pray for them. And then according to the translation in the article John says "No one who is born of God sins."

So why would he say pray for sinning believers and then two sentences later say believers don't sin. That makes no sense. So lets dig deeper.

In the Greek, the word used for "sins" in 'No one born of God sins" actually translates to "continues to sin" from the Greek word harmartenai. So it's the idea of continuing to live in a sin after you are saved. As in not trying to stop sinning. Believers don't do that. They sin, but they hate their sin and they try to stop it. The Greek language is much better at communicating actions with their verbs and this is an verb denotes an action that began at some point and is continually repeated.

So, see, no contradiction.

Nope, I see contradiction and one persons interpretation vs an-other's. Also see inconsistency, in the greek it says this, in the (insert version here) it says this.

The day is Wednesday, Thursday or Friday, according to 'christians'. Not consistent. Or maybe the people writing the bible were inconsistent. Waiting over 50 years to write things down has a tendency to do that.

So where's the problem, the people reading or the people writing? Either way it's problematic and makes that 40,000 number appear plausible. 

(you asked for sources and I complied, your turn, but only if you think it will help)

Edit: and you only address one inconsistency, a consistent bible believer would address them all.

[ayost]

It’s not an interpretation here, it’s translation. The original manuscripts were written in Greek. Not English, not Chinese, not Russian. They weren’t written by modern scholars. Scholars don’t determine what the Bible says. So the only thing that matters is the original Greek manuscripts. The original Greek manuscripts only say Friday. The rest are theories and they are theories that don’t hold water. I’m sorry but that’s demonstrably true.

Many people write about their own lives and the lives of others decades after the person is gone. What does that matter?

The problem is the people reading. The writings have no contradictions.

40,000 is a dumb number only used by the most extreme people. No moderate person believes that number.

I’m not responding to everything you posted. Like I said, these things have already been written about time and time again. The reason you don’t know the response is because you e never taken the time to look or you would know the response. That means you’re willfully ignorant. I’m not going to do your research for you. Besides, you’re not listening anyways.

[arewethereyet]

It’s not an interpretation here, it’s translation. The original manuscripts were written in Greek. Not English, not Chinese, not Russian. They weren’t written by modern scholars. Scholars don’t determine what the Bible says. So the only thing that matters is the original Greek manuscripts. The original Greek manuscripts only say Friday. The rest are theories and they are theories that don’t hold water. I’m sorry but that’s demonstrably true.

Many people write about their own lives and the lives of others decades after the person is gone. What does that matter?

The problem is the people reading. The writings have no contradictions.

40,000 is a dumb number only used by the most extreme people. No moderate person believes that number.

I’m not responding to everything you posted. Like I said, these things have already been written about time and time again. The reason you don’t know the response is because you e never taken the time to look or you would know the response. That means you’re willfully ignorant. I’m not going to do your research for you. Besides, you’re not listening anyways.

You barge in here and treat the members like crap. You are going to be a favorite. I expect a short run.