Alec Baldwin Shooting

[Spongebob]

Wow!  The key statement that I took away from this video occurs at 8:37:

"When you look at a dummy round, and you look at their appearance, they have the same projectile tip, some of these do not have holes in the side of them.  They mimic and look like a real round."

An actor is supposed to know the difference?

The current suspicion is that someone deliberately put live rounds in the box of dummy rounds.  That's quite devious; orchestrating a shooting without being the one to pull the trigger.

What?   Bollocks

We used blanks in our rifles when out bush on exercise. Our Weapons were the 7.62 SLR.   A blank round had a black plastic cartridge, crimped at the end where the bullet would normally be attached.


Just in case the passage of time had left me confused, I just googled "blank .38 round" , then 'live .38 round'.  The blanks are in fact shiny brass, with the end which usually takes the bullet being crimped. On a live round, the cartridge is brass  and the bullet is a copper colour  with a rounded tip. 

The person who made that statement on the video is an ignoramus,  a moron, or a defence lawyer.

I'm sure there are many different varieties of blanks, dummies and such just as there are many varieties of live rounds.  I'm not extremely familiar with ammunition, but I've done some hunting and shooting and I've used different ammunition for the same guns and they were not uniform in appearance.  Also, I've read that some film productions use dummy and blank rounds that are not mass produced but made by the armorer or some other small outfit.  I have some acquaintances who make their own as well.  The appearance of these could be quite different from what you might find at a sporting goods store.

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Militaries might have more standardized procedures and procurement for rounds.  They crimp 5.56 over here, too - but you won't see crimped rounds in the belts in movies...

You do have to wonder.  If the box they loaded from was a box of blanks - and they don't find any live rounds otherwise unaccounted for or in the armorers private possession (I'd have to assume the cops would have wondered the same..and asked the armorer about it) - did someone put it there..or was it in the box when they opened it?   Either way, someone...somewhere.. fucked up.

I've seen a few crimped rounds, but very few.  The first time I was taken aback.  I'm just spitballing here, but I don't think most films would used crimped rounds of any kind because that's not what the average person imagines when they think about bullets.

[brewer]

What?   Bollocks

We used blanks in our rifles when out bush on exercise. Our Weapons were the 7.62 SLR.   A blank round had a black plastic cartridge, crimped at the end where the bullet would normally be attached.


Just in case the passage of time had left me confused, I just googled "blank .38 round" , then 'live .38 round'.  The blanks are in fact shiny brass, with the end which usually takes the bullet being crimped. On a live round, the cartridge is brass  and the bullet is a copper colour  with a rounded tip. 

The person who made that statement on the video is an ignoramus,  a moron, or a defence lawyer.

Don't confuse blank for dummy. Dummy rounds look real for filming purposes, scenes where the guns/cartridges are filmed being loaded.

From what I understand dummy rounds should not have a functional primer (look different) or powder (weigh different?). I've never owned any. Hollywood may have their own version of a 'dummy'.

Edit: Got to ask why the rounds wouldn't be secured the same as the weapons? Securing the rounds seems more important unless the guns are being used as clubs..

[arewethereyet]

I glanced at an article yesterday that said the armorer (or someone, maybe their lawyer) stated that somebody must have put a live round in the gun.

Well, DUH. That's pretty much a given since I don't think the gun loaded itself.

[Spongebob]

I thought he said someone must have put a live round (or several) in the box of dummy rounds. That is, of course, speculation, but a reasonable one. They admitted that the box of ammo was not monitored all day, so pretty much everyone one set had access to it. They also said something about finger prints and DNA, but were a little more cagey about that. If they have DNA, it could come down to testing everyone who was on set that day, which could be interesting.

[arewethereyet]

Perhaps we didn't read the same article.

[The Grand Nudger]

I glanced at an article yesterday that said the armorer (or someone, maybe their lawyer) stated that somebody must have put a live round in the gun.

Well, DUH.  That's pretty much a given since I don't think the gun loaded itself.

They know who put the round in the gun - they just don't know how it ended up being a live round.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

What?   Bollocks

We used blanks in our rifles when out bush on exercise. Our Weapons were the 7.62 SLR.   A blank round had a black plastic cartridge, crimped at the end where the bullet would normally be attached.


Just in case the passage of time had left me confused, I just googled "blank .38 round" , then 'live .38 round'.  The blanks are in fact shiny brass, with the end which usually takes the bullet being crimped. On a live round, the cartridge is brass  and the bullet is a copper colour  with a rounded tip. 

The person who made that statement on the video is an ignoramus,  a moron, or a defence lawyer.

I'm sure there are many different varieties of blanks, dummies and such just as there are many varieties of live rounds.  I'm not extremely familiar with ammunition, but I've done some hunting and shooting and I've used different ammunition for the same guns and they were not uniform in appearance.  Also, I've read that some film productions use dummy and blank rounds that are not mass produced but made by the armorer or some other small outfit.  I have some acquaintances who make their own as well.  The appearance of these could be quite different from what you might find at a sporting goods store.

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Militaries might have more standardized procedures and procurement for rounds.  They crimp 5.56 over here, too - but you won't see crimped rounds in the belts in movies...

You do have to wonder.  If the box they loaded from was a box of blanks - and they don't find any live rounds otherwise unaccounted for or in the armorers private possession (I'd have to assume the cops would have wondered the same..and asked the armorer about it) - did someone put it there..or was it in the box when they opened it?   Either way, someone...somewhere.. fucked up.

I've seen a few crimped rounds, but very few.  The first time I was taken aback.  I'm just spitballing here, but I don't think most films would used crimped rounds of any kind because that's not what the average person imagines when they think about bullets.

 OK, I  stand corrected.  I learned.

[onlinebiker]

Baldwin says he did not pull trigger - 

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/alec...59907.html

BULLSHIT!!!!!!

Early single action revolvers must have the hammer pulled back to fire. Furthermore - it is highly unlikely to fire if pulled to less than half cocked and released- as the spring is not under enough tension to cause the firing pin to hit the primer hard enough for ignition - that is the PURPOSE of the half cock. And if fully cocked only pulling the trigger will release the hammer.

Modern single actions have a transfer bar - and will fire ONLY if the trigger is pulled with the hammer cocked. 


FAR MORE LIKELY - is his memory of the event have adapted to relieve himself of the guilt as result of his stupidity. Or he is lying.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Baldwin says he did not pull trigger - 

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/alec...59907.html

BULLSHIT!!!!!!

Early single action revolvers must have the hammer pulled back to fire. Furthermore - it is highly unlikely to fire if pulled to less than half cocked and released- as the spring is not under enough tension to cause the firing pin to hit the primer hard enough for ignition - that is the PURPOSE of the half cock. And if fully cocked only pulling the trigger will release the hammer.

Modern single actions have a transfer bar - and will fire ONLY if the trigger is pulled with the hammer cocked. 


FAR MORE LIKELY - is his memory of the event have adapted to relieve himself of the guilt as result of his stupidity. Or he is lying.

Yeah, that seems more than a little sketchy. Sounds like something he said on the advise of counsel (if so, he needs better lawyers).

Boru

[brewer]

He may have blown a gasket by playing Trump on SNL to many times.