New Zealand - you gotta be this old to have rights.
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New Zealand - you gotta be this old to have rights.
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Cigarettes vs alcohol.
I have never seen someone go home, smoke cigarettes for hours then beat the shit out of the wife and kids... ...  Quote:Cigarettes vs alcohol.No instead they just poison their kid's air with secondhand smoke 
"Change was inevitable"
Nemo sicut deus debet esse! ![[Image: Canada_Flag.jpg?v=1646203843]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=cdn.shopify.com%2Fs%2Ffiles%2F1%2F0630%2F5310%2F3332%2Fproducts%2FCanada_Flag.jpg%3Fv%3D1646203843) “No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?” –SHIRLEY CHISHOLM   RE: New Zealand - you gotta be this old to have rights.
December 10, 2021 at 5:11 pm
(This post was last modified: December 10, 2021 at 5:14 pm by onlinebiker.)
(December 10, 2021 at 5:05 pm)Oldandeasilyconfused Wrote:(December 10, 2021 at 4:59 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Cigarettes vs alcohol. Hardly. I worked as a bouncer at a busy CW watering hole for years... I have seen countless cases of "instant assholes" - just add alcohol. (December 10, 2021 at 5:10 pm)Brian37 Wrote:(December 9, 2021 at 11:07 am)onlinebiker Wrote: Seem pretty fucked up to me. A spine is a prerequisite to will.... Quote:Hardly. I worked as a bouncer at a busy CW watering hole for years... I have seen countless cases of "instant assholes" - just add alcohol.Assholes tend to be drinkers so you have that backwards
"Change was inevitable"
Nemo sicut deus debet esse! “No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?” –SHIRLEY CHISHOLM  RE: New Zealand - you gotta be this old to have rights.
December 10, 2021 at 5:23 pm
(This post was last modified: December 10, 2021 at 6:40 pm by emjay.)
(December 10, 2021 at 4:59 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Cigarettes vs alcohol. Okay, fair enough, I didn't think of that... though I should've done I guess, since alcoholism did have a negative, indirect, affect on our family for a long time (in the sense of trying to help an alcoholic over a long period, but it just tearing the family apart in many ways, co-dependency and all this sort of thing)... I'd just forgotten about it... and I'm no particular fan of the stuff myself, only having it a few times a year. So yeah, in line with what you're saying, alcohol sucks for how it can affect others as well as the person afflicted, smoking, much less so, or at least only in the second hand smoking sense, which is largely protected against within the law. So I guess I don't know how to square that, just that I'm happy to see this happen with tobacco, because even if it does not generally affect others... or there's easy/easier protections from that... it still has only negative... and completely avoidable... consequences for anyone who takes it up, and as I said, generally most people that do take it up, do so before they can make a fully mature/unpressured decision... so to the extent that this would stamp out that, I'm good with that. Alcohol would still be a much more complicated issue I think, because it's not so clear-cut negative, but yeah, what you've said is definitely food for thought.  (December 10, 2021 at 4:59 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Cigarettes vs alcohol. Cigarettes vs alcohol: I have never seen an alcoholic poison the other people in the room with him. Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
RE: New Zealand - you gotta be this old to have rights.
December 10, 2021 at 5:34 pm
(This post was last modified: December 10, 2021 at 5:37 pm by onlinebiker.)
And where does it end?
I hate gambling. (I probably lost a grand total of $50 in my lifetime. Poker was a big thing in the service and the few times I participated I came out about even or down a few bucks). I have seen people loose houses and businesses over dumb assed weekends at the casino. I saw a friend of my SO have her entire ( sizable) inheritance by her (now ex) husband in 6 months. If we are making a list of bad habits to ban - gambling should be at the top of the list..... (December 10, 2021 at 5:26 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:(December 10, 2021 at 4:59 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Cigarettes vs alcohol. Get over it. We have laws that prohibit smoking in public. You are NEVER required to suck someone else' s poison. If you do - it' s on you. RE: New Zealand - you gotta be this old to have rights.
December 10, 2021 at 5:39 pm
(This post was last modified: December 10, 2021 at 5:42 pm by The Architect Of Fate.)
Quote:And where does it end? ![[Image: slippery-slope-fallacy-explained.jpeg]](https://productiveclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/slippery-slope-fallacy-explained.jpeg) Quote:Get over it. We have laws that prohibit smoking in public. You are NEVER required to suck someone else' s poison. If you do - it' s on you.Unless you're a child in a smoker's house?
"Change was inevitable"
Nemo sicut deus debet esse! “No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?” –SHIRLEY CHISHOLM |
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