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[Fake Messiah]

Oh, so I'm the problem now. UFO people have so many enemies. Everyone is either hiding the evidence or being too blind to see it.

[Irreligious Atheist]

Oh, so I'm the problem now. UFO people have so many enemies. Everyone is either hiding the evidence or being too blind to see it.

Are you living under a rock and somehow missed the UAP report that the government released? How is it not bad faith for you to sum up the evidence as being basically nothing more than a few blurry photos, when the government has observations and recordings of these things on multiple censors simultaneously? You are making what seems to be either an uninformed, or bad faith, deceptive argument.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/27/politics/...index.html

4. "[There were] 144 reports originated from USG sources. Of these, 80 reports involved observation with multiple sensors."

This line establishes the universe, ahem, that the task force examined. There were incidents between 2004 and 2021 -- and more than half were confirmed by "multiple sensors."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/25/ufo-report-key-takeaways-us-government

They are real – whatever ‘they’ are

Whatever the US military is encountering do seem to be real objects – in at least some of the incidents being . “Most of the UAP reported probably do represent physical objects given that a majority of UAP were registered across multiple sensors, to include radar, infrared, electro-optical, weapon seekers, and visual observation,” the report said.

[The Architect Of Fate]

[Fake Messiah]

How is it not bad faith for you to sum up the evidence as being basically nothing more than a few blurry photos, when the government has observations and recordings of these things on multiple censors simultaneously? You are making what seems to be either an uninformed, or bad faith, deceptive argument.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/27/politics/...index.html

Oh, "great". There are not only blurry pictures as evidence but there is also anecdotal evidence.

Also from your CNN link: "The 9-page report isn't exactly an exhaustive study of UFOs, nor does it confirm or debunk the existence of alien life."

[Irreligious Atheist]

How is it not bad faith for you to sum up the evidence as being basically nothing more than a few blurry photos, when the government has observations and recordings of these things on multiple censors simultaneously? You are making what seems to be either an uninformed, or bad faith, deceptive argument.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/27/politics/...index.html

Oh, "great". There are not only blurry pictures as evidence but there is also anecdotal evidence.

Also from your CNN link: "The 9-page report isn't exactly an exhaustive study of UFOs, nor does it confirm or debunk the existence of alien life."

Where did I say I believe alien life is here? If you take issue with Tucker Carlson having the flying saucer graphics with the twilight zone music in the background on his show, then fair enough, but the phenomena is real, whatever it may be. The UAP report released by the government confirmed this.

[The Architect Of Fate]

[Angrboda]

What the hell does "it is real" even mean? Sure, and Benghazi was real, and Yellow Cake is real, depending upon what one means to imply by them. Otherwise it's just weasel words.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

What the hell does "it is real" even mean?  Sure, and Benghazi was real, and Yellow Cake is real, depending upon what one means to imply by them.  Otherwise it's just weasel words.

I think -best case - ‘it is real’ in this context can only mean, ‘It’s an object, it’s flying, and we didn’t identify it.’ 

This would apply equally well to extraterrestrial spacecraft as it would to a duck on a foggy morning.

Boru

[Irreligious Atheist]

What the hell does "it is real" even mean?  Sure, and Benghazi was real, and Yellow Cake is real, depending upon what one means to imply by them.  Otherwise it's just weasel words.

Would the US government report be saying that some of the UAPs could be foreign adversary systems if these were all just sightings of birds and weather balloons? The phenomena recorded on multiple censors and seen visually at the same time, is real. We don't know what the phenomena is, which is why it's called unidentified.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/27/politics/...index.html

In 18 incidents, described in 21 reports, observers reported unusual UAP movement patterns or flight characteristics. Some UAP appeared to remain stationary in winds aloft, move against the wind, maneuver abruptly, or move at considerable speed, without discernable means of propulsion. In a small number of cases, military aircraft systems processed radio frequency (RF) energy associated with UAP sightings."

Eyes emoji!!!! Like, this seems like a big deal! A total of 18 incidents where UFOs "appeared to remain stationary in winds aloft, move against the wind, maneuver abruptly, or move at considerable speed, without discernable means of propulsion." In plain English, that means that military personnel spotted unidentified aerial phenomena that appeared to be unaffected by wind, move in ways that can't be explained and be propelled in ways that can't be explained. Which is very, very interesting.

Then, however, there are some incidents that "may require additional scientific knowledge to successfully collect on, analyze and characterize some of them." Like, advanced science beyond our current capacity. Interesting!

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I’m unimpressed and growing more disinterested by the minute. Hell, there are things right here in my house that I can’t reliably identify.

Boru