Russia and Ukraine

[Anomalocaris]

If Australia participated in the invasion of iraq and failed to apologize or offer compensation, it certainly has no right to criticize Russia even if Russian invasion of Ukraine was unjustified,

In fact it is well justified.   This is unlike any of the invasions the US conducted after WWII, Except the 1950 invasion of North Korea and 1991 invasion of Iraq.   But those two, while justified, were less well justified than the current Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Of all the invasions the US conducted or planned to conduct after WWII, only the planned 1962 Invasion of cuba would have been equal to the current Russian invasion of Ukraine in necessity and justification, if the Soviets then had been inflexible and refused to withdraw the missiles from cuba.

But the Soviet were flexible then, as the US chose not to be now.    So the Soviets saved the US from having to conduct the justified and necessary invasion,    The US, through its total inflexibility this January. force Russia to conduct the necessary invasion.

So Russia invasion really does not deserve any of the criticism heaped on it, other than perhaps it can be conducted with more efficiency. 

i might say the responsibility of making the Russian invasion so well justified so well justified lies 70% with the US, and only a part of that 70% stems from its recent inflexibility, 20% with the Ukrainians, and 10% with EU and other NATO states.

So... Not even people who might be associated with military actions in other countys get a comment on how Russia behaves with its neighbours?

What ever. You keep on doing you with your rape appologetics invasion appologetics.

May some one happily fek over your neck of the woods with justified military actions.... In minecraft.

Not at work.

did you argue for the EU to sanction the US to the hilt when we invaded iraq?

No?  

Hmmm.  i am offering apologetics?

[Peebothuhlu]

So... Not even people who might be associated with military actions in other countys get a comment on how Russia behaves with its neighbours?

What ever. You keep on doing you with your rape appologetics invasion appologetics.

May some one happily fek over your neck of the woods with justified military actions.... In minecraft.

did you argue for the EU to sanction the US to the hilt when we invaded iraq?

No?  

Hmmm.  i am offering apologetics?

Oh no. You keep on doing you Boo.

As far as my reaction to my country's involvment in something completly different compared to Russia and Ukraine and how it doesn't in any way effect the conversation people are generally having in this thread?

You can get personally invaded in Minecraft for all I care to interact with you from now on.

Not at work.

[The Architect Of Fate]

did you argue for the EU to sanction the US to the hilt when we invaded iraq?

No?  

Hmmm.  i am offering apologetics?

No, because it would be even less effective against America then Russia 

Yes, you are an apologist for Russian imperialism and think that snarking about American imperialism is somehow alright lol. Again get over Iraq and focus on the current issue 

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did you argue for the EU to sanction the US to the hilt when we invaded iraq?

No?  

Hmmm.  i am offering apologetics?

Oh no. You keep on doing you Boo.

As far as my reaction to my country's involvment in something completly different compared to Russia and Ukraine and how it doesn't in any way effect the conversation people are generally having in this thread?

You can get personally invaded in Minecraft for all I care to interact with you from now on.

Not at work.

No, no American imperialism is bad so, Russian imperialism is good ......

How about both countries imperialism is bad .... 

[Peebothuhlu]

I agree with you Helios.

Don't think I've ever been saying 'Absolve the Yanks'. Was just wondering how 'Clean' a country's record has to be before rape appologist invasion appologist Anomalocaris says they can give some criticism towards Russia.

Trying to tease out just how high a bar a country's reputation has to clear before said tower casts shade on Russia's actons, is all.



Not at work.

[The Architect Of Fate]

I agree with you Helios.

Don't think I've ever been saying 'Absolve the Yanks'. Was just wondering how 'Clean' a country's record has to be before rape appologist invasion appologist Anomalocaris says they can give some criticism towards Russia.

Trying to tease out just how high a bar a country's reputation has to clear before said tower casts shade on Russia's actons, is all.



Not at work.

When it comes to hypocrisy arguments. This quote always comes to mind.

"...Yeah, so when the pot calls the kettle black, the kettle's still fuckin' black."

— Billie, Dumbing of Age

[Deesse23]

when some countries get sanctioned to hell for justified invasion while other get off scott free trashing whole regions just trying to aggrandize itself, that hardly make criticism instigated by the latter anymore than worthless self-serving noise.

the description of ukraine was used to estimate how putin may attempt to configure ukraine  in the aftermath of the war.   it was not used to justify the war at all. 

you are stretching.

And you are talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Nice try to justify your "tu quoque" by the way.

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If Australia participated in the invasion of iraq and failed to apologize or offer compensation, it certainly has no right to criticize Russia even if Russian invasion of Ukraine was unjustified,

Yes Australia has, because "tu quoque" is a thing.

This is unlike any of the invasions the US conducted after WWII, Except the 1950 invasion of North Korea

Nice try, 1950 was not an invasion of North Korea, and you know it. You should be ashamed of yourself for being so dishonest.

and 1991 invasion of Iraq.   But those two, while justified, were less well justified than the current Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Iraq is irrelevant, and Russian invasion of Ukraine is against international law.

Of all the invasions the US conducted or planned to conduct after WWII

....every single one is irrelevant to the fact that the Russian invasion of Ukraine is against international law.

So Russia invasion really does not deserve any of the criticism heaped on it

It deserves every single bit of it and more.

i might say the responsibility of making the Russian invasion so well justified so well justified lies 70% with the US, and only a part of that 70% stems from its recent inflexibility, 20% with the Ukrainians, and 10% with EU and other NATO states.

Its however 100% clear that you are an apologetig of oppression, agression and breach of international law.

[The Architect Of Fate]

when some countries get sanctioned to hell for justified invasion while others get off scot-free trashing whole regions just trying to aggrandize itself, that hardly make criticism instigated by the latter any more than worthless self-serving noise.

It's not a justified invasion and whether or not some other group gets off is irrelevant. The later criticism still stands. Russia's actions are not justified ...period  

[Anomalocaris]

Thinking “period” lends weight to a position is a sign of indoctrinated delusion.

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when some countries get sanctioned to hell for justified invasion while other get off scott free trashing whole regions just trying to aggrandize itself, that hardly make criticism instigated by the latter anymore than worthless self-serving noise.

the description of ukraine was used to estimate how putin may attempt to configure ukraine  in the aftermath of the war.   it was not used to justify the war at all. 

you are stretching.

And you are talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Nice try to justify your "tu quoque" by the way.

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If Australia participated in the invasion of iraq and failed to apologize or offer compensation, it certainly has no right to criticize Russia even if Russian invasion of Ukraine was unjustified,

Yes Australia has, because "tu quoque" is a thing.

This is unlike any of the invasions the US conducted after WWII, Except the 1950 invasion of North Korea

Nice try, 1950 was not an invasion of North Korea, and you know it. You should be ashamed of yourself for being so dishonest.

and 1991 invasion of Iraq.   But those two, while justified, were less well justified than the current Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Iraq is irrelevant, and Russian invasion of Ukraine is against international law.

Of all the invasions the US conducted or planned to conduct after WWII

....every single one is irrelevant to the fact that the Russian invasion of Ukraine is against international law.

So Russia invasion really does not deserve any of the criticism heaped on it

It deserves every single bit of it and more.

i might say the responsibility of making the Russian invasion so well justified so well justified lies 70% with the US, and only a part of that 70% stems from its recent inflexibility, 20% with the Ukrainians, and 10% with EU and other NATO states.

Its however 100% clear that you are an apologetig of oppression, agression and breach of international law.

Let’s be 100% clear there are things weightier than oppression, agression and breach of international law.     Existential concern would be one of those. 

Thinking one could gain by Pushing other people to edge of existential concern because method available to them to pushing back would technical be against international law is the height of conceited delusions.

It also utterly discredits the concept of impartial international law to which one should submit under more normal circumstances.

[Deesse23]

Let’s be 100% clear there are things weightier than oppression, agression and breach of international law.

[Anomalocaris]

Let’s be 100% clear there are things weightier than oppression, agression and breach of international law.

Laugh it up.   See if gravity cares if you make its actions illegal.


International law can only exist if it serves all major power’s enlightened interest to observe it.    If international law is used by some major power to harm other major power’s existential interests, it becomes a worthless sheet of paper.

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