Russia and Ukraine

[The Architect Of Fate]

1-Never become allies with the West or Gog and Magog (i.e Russia+China); they will backstab you -especially the west-.

They backstabbed us 

2-Gog and Magog are destructive just like the west. But my knowledge about their history tells me they can be far,far,far more destructive.

Bullshit

Putin is occupying nuclear plants and research facilities in Ukraine. and the west already said officially that he is trying to start WW3.

No, we haven't

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I wasn't responding to you. I was responding to Anomalocaris.......

Who can tell?  Even when you quote, you remove the name.

The fact to date Biker has not engaged in Russian apologetics and Anomalocaris has .....

[Pat Mustard]

Russia’s biggest logistics problem isn’t equipment, it isn’t food, it isn’t medical supplies, and it isn’t fuel. It’s troops.

The RAND Corporation - who are really, REALLY good at this sort of modeling - has said it takes 20 soldiers of an occupying force per 1000 population of the occupied country to hold it in the face of minimal resistance (the number increases exponentially in the face of moderate or heavy resistance). Right now, Russia is at about a quarter of that.

Putin would need at least 800 000 combat troops to secure Ukraine. He doesn’t have them and he can’t get them without sparking a revolution at home. He’s fucked.

Boru

He doesn't really need to subdue Ukraine if he can subdue Kyiv and a couple of big cities.  Regime change and occupation are different goals.

If he wants the regime to stick longer than a few days he'll need to occupy the whole country. Fighting against a guerilla insurgency, especially in a foreign country, is really difficult plus the US and EU will keep that insurgency supplied for years.

They know how to do it, remember Afghanistan.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

He doesn't really need to subdue Ukraine if he can subdue Kyiv and a couple of big cities.  Regime change and occupation are different goals.

If he wants the regime to stick longer than a few days he'll need to occupy the whole country.  Fighting against a guerilla insurgency, especially in a foreign country, is really difficult plus the US and EU will keep that insurgency supplied for years.

They know how to do it, remember Afghanistan.

And this one will be even worse - Ukraine is MUCH better equipped to deal with an invader than Afghanistan was.

Boru

[The Architect Of Fate]

If he wants the regime to stick longer than a few days he'll need to occupy the whole country.  Fighting against a guerilla insurgency, especially in a foreign country, is really difficult plus the US and EU will keep that insurgency supplied for years.

They know how to do it, remember Afghanistan.

And this one will be even worse - Ukraine is MUCH better equipped to deal with an invader than Afghanistan was.

Boru

And Russia is nowhere near as well supplied as America was nor was America dealing with crippling  global sanctions

[onlinebiker]

If he wants the regime to stick longer than a few days he'll need to occupy the whole country.  Fighting against a guerilla insurgency, especially in a foreign country, is really difficult plus the US and EU will keep that insurgency supplied for years.

They know how to do it, remember Afghanistan.

And this one will be even worse - Ukraine is MUCH better equipped to deal with an invader than Afghanistan was.

Boru

I dunno.. The Afghans turned out to be some stone cold mofos... They kicked Soviet ass - and US ass...
They weren' t exactly.lightweights.....

But.yeah - the Ukrainians are some tough bastards too... I hope to see them send Putin packin'.....

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

And this one will be even worse - Ukraine is MUCH better equipped to deal with an invader than Afghanistan was.

Boru

I dunno.. The Afghans turned out to be some stone cold mofos... They kicked Soviet ass - and US ass...
They weren' t exactly.lightweights.....

But.yeah - the Ukrainians are some tough bastards too... I hope to see them send Putin packin'.....

I didn’t say the Afghans weren’t tough (anyone who can take out a tank column on horseback deserves some serious respect), I just meant that the Ukrainian Armed Forces are better trained and better equipped.

Boru

[onlinebiker]

I dunno.. The Afghans turned out to be some stone cold mofos... They kicked Soviet ass - and US ass...
They weren' t exactly.lightweights.....

But.yeah - the Ukrainians are some tough bastards too... I hope to see them send Putin packin'.....

I didn’t say the Afghans weren’t tough (anyone who can take out a tank column on horseback deserves some serious respect), I just meant that the Ukrainian Armed Forces are better trained and better equipped.

Boru

Trained and equipped is not synonomous with motivated and victorious.

Regardless - I too root for the Ukrainians...

They didn' t start this shit - but I hope they end it in their favor..

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

TIME Magazine editor: 'Congratulations, President Putin! We have just picked you as our Man Of The Year and we need you to come in for a shoot.'

Putin: 'A photoshoot, right?'

Editor:'.....'

Putin: 'A photoshoot, right?'

Boru

[Angrboda]

Second Ukrainian mayor captured as Russian invaders target elected politicians: Ukrainian official

[Pat Mustard]

If he wants the regime to stick longer than a few days he'll need to occupy the whole country.  Fighting against a guerilla insurgency, especially in a foreign country, is really difficult plus the US and EU will keep that insurgency supplied for years.

They know how to do it, remember Afghanistan.

And this one will be even worse - Ukraine is MUCH better equipped to deal with an invader than Afghanistan was.

Boru

Look at history, pretty much everywhere shows that it's almost impossible for a foreign occupier to defeat a popular insurgency, from the Irish war of Independence (which my grandfather took part in, I've heard some stories), to the independence wars in south east Asia and Africa.