Russia and Ukraine

[The Architect Of Fate]

Translation Ukraine has racists therefore Russia destroying the whole country is okay. Also, Russia has plenty of racists 

But good job highjacking another thread and trying to make it about racism 

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

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Boru

[Thumpalumpacus]

I am done with you.  good bye.

Can't say I blame you, I'd hate to be reduced to personal attacks as well.

[The Grand Nudger]

As for pincer movements to cut Ukraine in half- While it's fun to posit that the russian forces could effectively operate 90-100 miles from a railhead, mere reality on the ground doesn't paint that picture. They've been incapable of effectively operating beyond 30 miles in any engagement. All of which is to say..that if the russian forces were five times more competent than they are..then..they could attempt such a pincer..and then it would be a more even engagement.

As it stands, clown army being executed more than engaged in combat. I'm sure, just absolutely certain, that the surviving troops of these utterly defeated regiments are going to do very well on the eastern front - where there's been a trench stall for almost a decade, and ukraine had preemptively massed it's best and most well equipped forces. Meanwhile, the first batch of ukrainian volunteers is set to complete training and enter the battlefield.

[Huggy Bear]

Translation Ukraine has racists therefore Russia destroying the whole country is okay. Also, Russia has plenty of racists 

But good job highjacking another thread and trying  to make it about racism 

Not the same dummy, the peace corps clearly stated that the racism was not "uncommon" in other words common.
The Ukrainians were literally not allowing black people to evacuate, and they have a whole nazi military unit (Azov Battalion).

Racism is relevant because that was Putins excuse for invading, nor saying it right or wrong, just stating fact.

And the mods interpretation of my post as "trolling " is some bs as usual.

[Thumpalumpacus]

As for pincer movements to cut Ukraine in half-  While it's fun to posit that the russian forces could effectively operate 90-100 miles from a railhead, mere reality on the ground doesn't paint that picture.  They've been incapable of effectively operating beyond 30 miles in any engagement.  All of which is to say..that if the russian forces were five times more competent than they are..then..they could attempt such a pincer..and then it would be a more even engagement.  

As it stands, clown army being executed more than engaged in combat.  I'm sure, just absolutely certain, that the surviving troops of these utterly defeated regiments are going to do very well on the eastern front - where there's been a trench stall for almost a decade, and ukraine had preemptively massed it's best and most well equipped forces.  Meanwhile, the first batch of ukrainian volunteers is set to complete training and enter the battlefield.

Executing a mass attack with what is essentially a scratch force of defeated units hastily reorganized, lacking proper air support ... I'm not buying great odds of success, especially now that the scope of the atrocities is clear and every Ukrainian civilian knows what defeat would mean.

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The Ukrainians were literally not allowing black people to evacuate, and they have a whole military unit that are literally nazis.

That was actually the Poles who were turning away African and Asian exchange students and workers at the border, from my readings, rather than Ukraine refusing to let them leave the country.

[Huggy Bear]

@Thumpalumpacus
They were kicking them off the trains, I'll just leave it at that since apparently, talking about people being racist = trolling.🙄

[Thumpalumpacus]

@Thumpalumpacus
They were kicking them off the trains, I'll just leave it at that since apparently, talking about people being racist = trolling.🙄

If you PM a link or two I'll be happy to read them. I've got errands to run now but I'm off the next two days so there's plenty of time.

[The Grand Nudger]

Executing a mass attack with what is essentially a scratch force of defeated units hastily reorganized, lacking proper air support ... I'm not buying great odds of success, especially now that the scope of the atrocities is clear and every Ukrainian civilian knows what defeat would mean.

Here's to hoping, for the soldiers on both ends, that russia realizes now is not the moment for it's imperial ambition - rather, that they need to be seriously concerned with whether they can hold crimea or donbas, and.... if so, how long they can absorb the cost of that occupation.

Russia will have to clean this up quicker than they've already been there, even if all they want they want to accomplish is systematic depopulation - that's still man hours.   Reducing some buildings as they run for the exits isn't going to accomplish that.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Not the same dummy, the peace corps clearly stated that the racism was not "uncommon" in other words common.

Yes, it is the same dummy. The fact it's not uncommon and therefore is common doesn't tell us what percentage of the population is racist and even if it were 80% that is not an excuse to destroy an entire nation.

The Ukrainians were literally not allowing black people to evacuate, and they have a whole nazi military unit (Azov Battalion).

Again the fact some Ukrainian border posts and trains stations (not all) were not letting people of color evacuate doesn't make them Nazis, And the Azov Battalion is a 900 man Far-Right paramilitary militia whose significance has been blown way out of proportion. Look at any Eastern European country and you will find similar groups including Russia ( Russian Imperial Movement). So this is a lot of nothing burger.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/m...extremists

Racism is relevant because that was Putins excuse for invading, nor saying it right or wrong, just stating fact.

Actually, it isn't we have done pretty well on this thread without letting you turn it into your soapbox and your facts are either irrelevant or skewed 

And the mods interpretation of my post as "trolling " is some bs as usual.

No their spot on as usual with you