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RE: Why NATO doesn't give to Ukraine plan of membership?
April 19, 2022 at 6:29 pm
(April 19, 2022 at 6:22 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Who? Jehenne? Who? Are you aware of some mass execution by ukranian forces in the current russian invasion of ukraine that no one else is? Well shit..don't be stingy, share!
That's important, don't you think? That has something to say about whether or not we should give them patriot missiles..don't you think? Do you know something?
As far as I'm aware, captured russian conscripts are given the oppurtunity to call home( and not raped, or shot in the knee on principle) precisely because their being well treated annihilates russian pretense and casus belli. Tell me different.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/07/europe/uk...index.html
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RE: Why NATO doesn't give to Ukraine plan of membership?
April 19, 2022 at 6:45 pm
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(April 19, 2022 at 3:53 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I predict that regardless of whether russia wins or loses (and, honestly, it's looking like loses right now..unless they come up with something different)...some people will blame biden. Nothing to do with it, but whatever. In fact, the people most likely to blame biden are also the people least likely to realize or acknowledge that attempting to extort zelinsky for political dirt in exchange for military aide signed some number of ukrainian death warrants.
We don't all know that, btw, I think you probably reject that explicitly. That the ends actually do justify the means or that actual history is actually written by the actual victors.
It’s hard to envision Russia winning. They could come up with something different, of course (go nuclear/chemical/biological, etc), but winning the fighting is not the same as winning the war. In a geopolitical sense, Putin has already lost the war. The weaknesses in Russia’s military have been exposed, the economy is cratered and about to get worse, Europe is more unified and anti-Russian than it has been in decades, and so on.
If it’s true that war is the extension of politics by other means, then the metric that matters most in determining ‘winning’ is if you come out of a war stronger than you went into it. The longer Russia keeps this going, the weaker they’re going to be at the end of it.
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RE: Why NATO doesn't give to Ukraine plan of membership?
April 20, 2022 at 2:44 am
(April 19, 2022 at 1:09 pm)Jehanne Wrote: It appears to me that the majority of the population in Eastern Ukraine wants to be part of Russia, or at least under Russian control.
Agree. But it is a beginning of war. I think, that, Europe will proof, that Russia isn't developed
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RE: Why NATO doesn't give to Ukraine plan of membership?
April 20, 2022 at 4:38 am
Italian constitution is bad, because, it under Catholicism
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RE: Why NATO doesn't give to Ukraine plan of membership?
April 20, 2022 at 5:40 am
(April 20, 2022 at 4:38 am)Interaktive Wrote: Italian constitution is bad, because, it under Catholicism
Off topic and wrong.
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RE: Why NATO doesn't give to Ukraine plan of membership?
April 20, 2022 at 6:15 am
(April 20, 2022 at 5:40 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (April 20, 2022 at 4:38 am)Interaktive Wrote: Italian constitution is bad, because, it under Catholicism
Off topic and wrong.
Boru Good , if I wrong. Austrian law was good for Ukraine
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RE: Why NATO doesn't give to Ukraine plan of membership?
April 20, 2022 at 9:49 am
(April 20, 2022 at 6:15 am)Interaktive Wrote: (April 20, 2022 at 5:40 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Off topic and wrong.
Boru Good , if I wrong. Austrian law was good for Ukraine
Oh those fekkin' Aussies. Can't keep thier wallabies in ANY paddock.
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RE: Why NATO doesn't give to Ukraine plan of membership?
April 20, 2022 at 10:14 am
(This post was last modified: April 20, 2022 at 10:17 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(April 20, 2022 at 2:44 am)Interaktive Wrote: (April 19, 2022 at 1:09 pm)Jehanne Wrote: It appears to me that the majority of the population in Eastern Ukraine wants to be part of Russia, or at least under Russian control.
Agree. But it is a beginning of war. I think, that, Europe will proof, that Russia isn't developed
Russia doesn't appear to need anyone's help to show that they're a failing state. That the ukranians are lending a hand is just on account of how they're a warm and inviting people like that. They heard that the russian army was having trouble getting ammo to the front, so they delivered some, gratis. You never see a broken down russian tank without a helpful farmer towing it back to the nearest chop shop. Hell, they even partnered with the russians on a highly ambitious conservation project to establish a coral reef in the black sea.
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RE: Why NATO doesn't give to Ukraine plan of membership?
April 20, 2022 at 10:46 am
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(April 20, 2022 at 6:15 am)Interaktive Wrote: Good , if I wrong. Austrian law was good for Ukraine
You're talking about the time, when it still was called Ruthenia and was an Austrian Crownland? Pretty long ago, I have to say. More than a 100 years.
And when the Russian pushed at the Eastern borders in 1914/15, many of the so called Ruthenians fled to Vienna. There's still quite a number of people, who have their roots in today's Ukraine. Especially among the jewish population.
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RE: Why NATO doesn't give to Ukraine plan of membership?
April 24, 2022 at 8:48 am
I was in Russian church in Kyiv. I think, that Russians must teach Ukrainian language
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