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RE: Pyramid of Capitalism
November 26, 2011 at 6:17 pm
(November 26, 2011 at 6:11 pm)bozo Wrote: (November 26, 2011 at 6:05 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: (November 23, 2011 at 7:48 pm)bozo Wrote: Quite a tour de force from Lily and I applaud what is expressed.
I am a Socialist chiefly because I deplore excesses....of extreme wealth at one pole and abject poverty at the other.
I am anti-capitalist because its nature ensures these excesses will persist.
We are lucky to be living in a world of plenty.
I hope, that one day, we will all, every one of us, everywhere, have an equal share in it. What kind of excess are you talking about?
IS life all about your basic needs?
Are you struggling with the language or just dumb?
The obscenely wealthy at the top and the starving poor at the bottom.
Get it?
Starving?
How many of you are starving, really. You just do not have the same amount of disposable income for leisure goods that the rich people have.
I really don't believe that anyone is starving in America.
Nature cannot give you the "equal share" in things that you want, because the amount of wealth is not measured by anything that nature can give to you. You're not wealthy because you have a lot of water, you're not wealthy because you breathe too much air, nor because you eat too much, or fat, doesn't make you any richer.
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RE: Pyramid of Capitalism
November 26, 2011 at 6:39 pm
(November 26, 2011 at 6:17 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: (November 26, 2011 at 6:11 pm)bozo Wrote: (November 26, 2011 at 6:05 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: (November 23, 2011 at 7:48 pm)bozo Wrote: Quite a tour de force from Lily and I applaud what is expressed.
I am a Socialist chiefly because I deplore excesses....of extreme wealth at one pole and abject poverty at the other.
I am anti-capitalist because its nature ensures these excesses will persist.
We are lucky to be living in a world of plenty.
I hope, that one day, we will all, every one of us, everywhere, have an equal share in it. What kind of excess are you talking about?
IS life all about your basic needs?
Are you struggling with the language or just dumb?
The obscenely wealthy at the top and the starving poor at the bottom.
Get it?
Starving?
How many of you are starving, really. You just do not have the same amount of disposable income for leisure goods that the rich people have.
I really don't believe that anyone is starving in America.
Nature cannot give you the "equal share" in things that you want, because the amount of wealth is not measured by anything that nature can give to you. You're not wealthy because you have a lot of water, you're not wealthy because you breathe too much air, nor because you eat too much, or fat, doesn't make you any richer.
Well I've got my answer, you are DUMB.
Go away and work it out and then we can discuss the effects of global capitalism.
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RE: Pyramid of Capitalism
November 26, 2011 at 7:17 pm
(November 26, 2011 at 6:39 pm)bozo Wrote: (November 26, 2011 at 6:17 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: (November 26, 2011 at 6:11 pm)bozo Wrote: (November 26, 2011 at 6:05 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: (November 23, 2011 at 7:48 pm)bozo Wrote: Quite a tour de force from Lily and I applaud what is expressed.
I am a Socialist chiefly because I deplore excesses....of extreme wealth at one pole and abject poverty at the other.
I am anti-capitalist because its nature ensures these excesses will persist.
We are lucky to be living in a world of plenty.
I hope, that one day, we will all, every one of us, everywhere, have an equal share in it. What kind of excess are you talking about?
IS life all about your basic needs?
Are you struggling with the language or just dumb?
The obscenely wealthy at the top and the starving poor at the bottom.
Get it?
Starving?
How many of you are starving, really. You just do not have the same amount of disposable income for leisure goods that the rich people have.
I really don't believe that anyone is starving in America.
Nature cannot give you the "equal share" in things that you want, because the amount of wealth is not measured by anything that nature can give to you. You're not wealthy because you have a lot of water, you're not wealthy because you breathe too much air, nor because you eat too much, or fat, doesn't make you any richer.
Well I've got my answer, you are DUMB.
Go away and work it out and then we can discuss the effects of global capitalism. Global capitalism mapitalism. The effects are already obvious, but I'm not really interested in the part with the gap between the poor and the rich, that gap actually defines who is poor and who is rich. You cannot override that gap, I'm sorry.
That has existed long before global capitalism existed.
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RE: Pyramid of Capitalism
November 26, 2011 at 8:12 pm
OK Mehmet,
Do you want to bridge the gap?
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RE: Pyramid of Capitalism
November 26, 2011 at 8:21 pm
(November 26, 2011 at 8:12 pm)bozo Wrote: OK Mehmet,
Do you want to bridge the gap? If that's the term, well, all I'm saying is that you can maybe try to make the poor less poor, but you cannot make the rich less rich.
I mean, you can perhaps try what "poverty" means for something. In first world countries, it means that you don't have the money to buy an x-box 360, perhaps. But I've lived in such a country(Germany), and have not met a single person that lived in such a way, like actually going to bed with an empty stomach.
In Turkey's cities, especially in the slum districts, there are people who cannot live without depending on their neighbors for food. They work, however they only earn as much as to pay the rent for the shitty house they live in.
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RE: Pyramid of Capitalism
November 26, 2011 at 9:34 pm
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This will help people understand a basic concept of how it can work...because this is ACTUALLY how it worked in this situation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeLak3_Fv...re=related
Note that this is not the ONLY way it can work..this is merely a way that it DID work, and it worked well.
This is Barcelona Spain immediately after the CNT / anarchist revolution.
(November 26, 2011 at 8:21 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: If that's the term, well, all I'm saying is that you can maybe try to make the poor less poor, but you cannot make the rich less rich. Bull crap. Communal living removes the "rich" from the rich, and the "poor" from the poor.
(November 26, 2011 at 8:21 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: I mean, you can perhaps try what "poverty" means for something. In first world countries, it means that you don't have the money to buy an x-box 360, perhaps. But I've lived in such a country(Germany), and have not met a single person that lived in such a way, like actually going to bed with an empty stomach. thats because socialism is very strong in some of those countries. As far as america is concerned, well, we have been in a MAJOR decline lately.
(November 26, 2011 at 8:21 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: In Turkey's cities, especially in the slum districts, there are people who cannot live without depending on their neighbors for food. They work, however they only earn as much as to pay the rent for the shitty house they live in. Then you need to organize and kick the capitalists to the curb. Let them know who is in charge.
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RE: Pyramid of Capitalism
November 27, 2011 at 12:14 am
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Mehmet, a large chunk of Americans live in exactly the same situation. Unable to afford food without help from neighbors, friends, family, or the state and federal government. Frankly the "food" available at their price point isn't even food. Unable to pay their rent (even when the fed discounts it by putting money in the pot), let alone even contemplate buying an xbox. You watch too much TV. I grew up going to bed with an empty stomach and we werent even the poorest people we knew (and we had fields under cultivation and rivers, lakes, and oceans to fish out of; forests to hunt in). Hey hey, I lived in Germany for a few years myself, and they have slums as well. Those who live in poverty often do not have the opportunity to avail themselves of the benefits of being born in a first world country. There are dirty little shitholes around the world that outperform the US in key areas such as education, healthcare, and upward social mobility (read: working your way out of begging your neighbors for grocery money and gaming the eviction laws of whatever state you live in).
So go fuck yourself. Or maybe stop letting loose at the jaw like a fucking idiot and come make something of yourself in the land of milk and honey, where the streets are paved with solid fucking gold?
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RE: Pyramid of Capitalism
November 27, 2011 at 12:30 am
(November 27, 2011 at 12:14 am)Rhythm Wrote: So go fuck yourself. Or maybe stop letting loose at the jaw like a fucking idiot and come make something of yourself in the land of milk and honey, where the streets are paved with solid fucking gold?
Yeah..I wonder if Mehmet noticed the occupy movement in america?
Thousands upon thoousands of people, most of the homeless and living on the streets and parks because they have to.
I guess he believes Fox news...the occupiers have no clear message and are a bunch of lazy drains on society...since our streets are paved with gold and all.
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RE: Pyramid of Capitalism
November 27, 2011 at 6:19 am
(November 26, 2011 at 8:21 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: (November 26, 2011 at 8:12 pm)bozo Wrote: OK Mehmet,
Do you want to bridge the gap? If that's the term, well, all I'm saying is that you can maybe try to make the poor less poor, but you cannot make the rich less rich.
I mean, you can perhaps try what "poverty" means for something. In first world countries, it means that you don't have the money to buy an x-box 360, perhaps. But I've lived in such a country(Germany), and have not met a single person that lived in such a way, like actually going to bed with an empty stomach.
In Turkey's cities, especially in the slum districts, there are people who cannot live without depending on their neighbors for food. They work, however they only earn as much as to pay the rent for the shitty house they live in.
I have my answer, you could have said it in one word " no ".
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RE: Pyramid of Capitalism
November 27, 2011 at 9:09 am
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