That Gay Thread

[The Architect Of Fate]

And remember doing something to intentionally offend Muslims like dipping bullets in Bacon grease and choosing a Bible passage that demonizes all Non-Christians on Twitter posts and putting BLM on bullets used on Black people are totally equal to a Pro Pride post by the Military using Color Coated bullets that killed no one. These aren't dumb comparisons. Not dumb at all 

[Irreligious Atheist]

I said that I was okay with gay bullets, and blm bullets, Mr Dont Straw Man Me.  I understand that this frustrated you, but you think you'd be used to it by now with how many times I've shit on your attempts.  Just like I'm about to shit on this one.  

You can stuff your gaycard back in your pants.  When I was in the service, I couldn't bring every date to the px.  I had to get dropped off at the end of the approach and walk the rest of the way in for fear that the gate cameras might catch me with the wrong kind of dancing partner.  Even though it wasn't much of a secret in my unit that I wasn't straight.  I still self policed out of habit and out of a real concern for my career (which I didn't end up getting to have anyway).   It was only the fact that I was a terrifying cold blue motherfucker in a sea of fobbits that kept them from beating the shit out of me in the barracks like they did to so many others.  I mean, sure, I guess a bunch of cooks and inventory counters and tech support specialists could have started shit...but I would have killed them.  Just straight up killed them..and then walked.  Infantry are untouchable.

So..yeah, I think you're a fucked up self loathing person on many levels, and the fact that you can't let a gay soldier be proud without blowing a bunch of warcimes shit out your ass is just one minor symptom of that.  You can invite all.what.twelve (lol) randos on twitter that form some sort of gay consensus here and I'll tell them that they're assholes to their face too..if you like.

I didn't use a gay card. A gay card would be saying concede to my opinion because I'm gay. I didn't do anything close to that. I pointed out what the majority consensus seems to be, and you literally acknowledged a couple days ago that most gay people would not like it, but you seem to have come down with a case of amnesia and you now are backtracking by acting like 7 tweets are all of the evidence that exists in the world. Again, the move of a liar and someone not interested in a good faith argument. Like I pointed out, someone's opinion is no more or less correct based on sexuality. Weren't you the one that basically said this is for gay troops, so others can butt out? Sounds like you were the one saying that only a certain type of person's opinion matters, not me. When you try to argue that gay people who are not ok with the gay bullets are not ok with the acknowledgement of gay people and therefore basically want to shove teh gheys back in the closet, you are arguing in comically bad faith.

[Irreligious Atheist]

If I make a mistake or get something wrong, and I acknowledge that I've done that plenty and will continue to make mistakes, it's an honest mistake. I always try to steelman the other side and really try to understand their argument correctly. I come at things in good faith though. Nudge does not always do the same. For instance, Nudge claimed that OnlineBiker was saying it was ok for police to murder someone because of past drunk driving, when OnlineBiker made it clear days before that that he didn't think the shooting was justified. OnlineBiker made his position perfectly clear, but Nudge, clearly in bad faith, still tried to make the claim that OnlineBiker was ok with the killing because of the drunk driving. There's just no way Nudge was coming at that in good faith and being honest with his argument.

Nice whataboutism.  I think you're simply unaware that you're doing it, so the idea that you acknowledge it is not particularly credible.  You might acknowledge other mistakes, though I don't recall you ever acknowledging a mistake of any significance.  Since you bring up Nudger by way of comparison, Nudger is frequently correct, but he's not rigorous (one might even call him sloppy).  So he's given to an occasional real blooper, but I don't think it's intentional; that's just his thinking style.

Nope, it was pointed out to him after he made that claim, and he still refused to acknowledge that that was not what OnlineBiker claimed. He still has a chance to go back right now and apologise to OnlineBiker for his false claims toward him, but he won't do it.

What do you mean whataboutism? Because I'm imperfect and make mistakes and sometimes misunderstand people, I'm therefore not allowed to point out mistakes when others make them? We're all imperfect and make mistakes. We're all hypocrites in one way or another.

[The Grand Nudger]

I said that I was okay with gay bullets, and blm bullets, Mr Dont Straw Man Me.  I understand that this frustrated you, but you think you'd be used to it by now with how many times I've shit on your attempts.  Just like I'm about to shit on this one.  

You can stuff your gaycard back in your pants.  When I was in the service, I couldn't bring every date to the px.  I had to get dropped off at the end of the approach and walk the rest of the way in for fear that the gate cameras might catch me with the wrong kind of dancing partner.  Even though it wasn't much of a secret in my unit that I wasn't straight.  I still self policed out of habit and out of a real concern for my career (which I didn't end up getting to have anyway).   It was only the fact that I was a terrifying cold blue motherfucker in a sea of fobbits that kept them from beating the shit out of me in the barracks like they did to so many others.  I mean, sure, I guess a bunch of cooks and inventory counters and tech support specialists could have started shit...but I would have killed them.  Just straight up killed them..and then walked.  Infantry are untouchable.

So..yeah, I think you're a fucked up self loathing person on many levels, and the fact that you can't let a gay soldier be proud without blowing a bunch of warcimes shit out your ass is just one minor symptom of that.  You can invite all.what.twelve (lol) randos on twitter that form some sort of gay consensus here and I'll tell them that they're assholes to their face too..if you like.

I didn't use a gay card. A gay card would be saying concede to my opinion because I'm gay. I didn't do anything close to that. 

Right, just another one of those free association exercises. 

I pointed out what the majority consensus seems to be, and you literally acknowledged a couple days ago that most gay people would not like it, but you seem to have come down with a case of amnesia and you now are backtracking by acting like 7 tweets are all of the evidence that exists in the world.

Now you're just making shit up.  I've been laughing at your alleged gay consensus since you foolishly asserted it.  I guess I didn't account for the fact that you might be an actual moron that didn't pick up on that. Ooops. Must be one of my many bloopers.

So, how did this latest concern troll attempt go?

Again, the move of a liar and someone not interested in a good faith argument. Like I pointed out, someone's opinion is no more or less correct based on sexuality. Weren't you the one that basically said this is for gay troops, so others can butt out? Sounds like you were the one saying that only a certain type of person's opinion matters, not me. When you try to argue that gay people who are not ok with the gay bullets are not ok with the acknowledgement of gay people and therefore basically want to shove teh gheys back in the closet, you are arguing in comically bad faith.

Right, because now that you can't chalk it up to my being in-sensitively straight and calling all the gays that live on twitter homophobes (which, btw, I absolutely would, np..gay people can be garbage too..to believe otherwise is, in fact, bigotry) that I think the military is doing good by acknowledging the existence and honor of gay servicemembers..we'll have to insist that I'm lying. Lying about what? Who knows...but definitely, for sure, something.

I certainly -do- think that gay servicemembers opinion about this matter more than people who would object to any military whatsit whatsoever on account of rolling warcrimes, if the subject is a pro lgbtq tweet by the military - and obviously don't mind saying it..and repeating it..and making sure you understand that's exactly what I think. Another swing and a miss. Dude, lets just foreclose on this hope of yours that any kind of concern trolling about anything whatsoever will ever work with me, shall we? You're talking to someone who can level a weapon at another person and kill them in absolute calm. Do you really think that a person like that is going to be cowed into or argued out of some thing they hold on the basis of it looking bad to you, or anyone else on the internet. I've had to look peoples kids in the eye after I shot their parents in front of them.. and I didn't even blink. Can you see why this has never worked on me. Can we at least get this out of the way wholly and forever?

That's who I am, that's what I am. Still, I do wish that the military was as woke when I was in as it (apparently) is now. It's a hell of a thing to be as committed to something as I was, as many other people were, still are, even when that institution would deny you, deprive you of advancement, dishonorably discharge you...and all of it a farce, it's not as if they would just that moment discover you weren;t straight and boot you. They knew. They always knew. It hung over you like a fucking sword. Not for failure of service..but for simply being who you are. I had to ghost some poor fucker who was just the sweetest guy in the world because someone saw me at a bar with him and Had Questions. Can you understand that? Can you sympathize. Has that ever happened to you, where everything you ever dreamed of having hinged on how well you could continuously and plausibly deny a thing everyone knew about you full well? When I was in the service, I was extremely lonely and isolated because of all this..which was a hell of a thing..because....to quote Tim O'Brien...my service was a love story you silly fucking cooze.

I don't care that you don't like it. I don't care if some pearl clutchers on the internet don't like it. None of you are the gay fucking lorax....who speaks for the gay trees....so you can all go fuck yourselves. That sink in?

[Irreligious Atheist]

As I said, I'm sure that it translates to 100% of the people in reality who hold that fundamental aversion to military operations, gay or straight.  People in the military, gay or straight, tend not to share the same concerns.  

You understand that, yes?  That the military..in a huge turnaround from it's entire history, is acknowledging gay servicemembers...right?

It's less "You, IA, have to like these gay bullets because you're gay!" and more "hey, do you like gay -and- bullets?  Well we've got something for you!".  So..maybe just maybe, let other people have their things huh?  You're not exactly the guardian to the gates of gay.

You're sure that it translates to 100 % of gay people who are not serving in the military and who don't support wars in the middle east, which is a heck of a lot of gay people, and I'd venture to guess the majority... Sorry that I didn't pick up on that oh so obvious joke.

[Angrboda]

Nice whataboutism.  I think you're simply unaware that you're doing it, so the idea that you acknowledge it is not particularly credible.  You might acknowledge other mistakes, though I don't recall you ever acknowledging a mistake of any significance.  Since you bring up Nudger by way of comparison, Nudger is frequently correct, but he's not rigorous (one might even call him sloppy).  So he's given to an occasional real blooper, but I don't think it's intentional; that's just his thinking style.

Nope, it was pointed out to him after he made that claim, and he still refused to acknowledge that that was not what OnlineBiker claimed. He still has a chance to go back right now and apologise to OnlineBiker for his false claims toward him, but he won't do it.

What do you mean whataboutism? Because I'm imperfect and make mistakes and sometimes misunderstand people, I'm therefore not allowed to point out mistakes when others make them? We're all imperfect and make mistakes. We're all hypocrites in one way or another.

I'm not going to revisit another thread. Perhaps you are correct, but I've learned through experience that giving you the benefit of the doubt that what you're saying is not wildly inaccurate is a mistake. Take it for what it's worth. If you don't understand how your comment was whataboutism, then you truly have shit for brains. It makes me wonder whether giving you the benefit of the doubt that you aren't making posts in bad faith might also be a mistake.

[The Architect Of Fate]

You're sure that it translates to 100 % of gay people who are not serving in the military and who don't support wars in the middle east, which is a heck of a lot of gay people, and I'd venture to guess the majority... Sorry that I didn't pick up on that oh so obvious joke.

Nothing in that post backs your accusations against Nudge 

[The Grand Nudger]

Nope, it was pointed out to him after he made that claim, and he still refused to acknowledge that that was not what OnlineBiker claimed. He still has a chance to go back right now and apologise to OnlineBiker for his false claims toward him, but he won't do it.

Does that keep you up at night?  That I stand by my appraisal of one of your fellow nutters and will never apologize for it?  

Well, they make pills for that.

[Irreligious Atheist]

I didn't use a gay card. A gay card would be saying concede to my opinion because I'm gay. I didn't do anything close to that. 

Right, just another one of those free association exercises. 

I pointed out what the majority consensus seems to be, and you literally acknowledged a couple days ago that most gay people would not like it, but you seem to have come down with a case of amnesia and you now are backtracking by acting like 7 tweets are all of the evidence that exists in the world.

Now you're just making shit up.  I've been laughing at your alleged gay consensus since you foolishly asserted it.  I guess I didn't account for the fact that you might be an actual moron that didn't pick up on that.  Ooops.  Must be one of my many bloopers.  

So, how did this latest concern troll attempt go?  

Again, the move of a liar and someone not interested in a good faith argument. Like I pointed out, someone's opinion is no more or less correct based on sexuality. Weren't you the one that basically said this is for gay troops, so others can butt out? Sounds like you were the one saying that only a certain type of person's opinion matters, not me. When you try to argue that gay people who are not ok with the gay bullets are not ok with the acknowledgement of gay people and therefore basically want to shove teh gheys back in the closet, you are arguing in comically bad faith.

Right, because now that you can't chalk it up to my being in-sensitively straight and calling all the gays that live on twitter homophobes (which, btw, I absolutely would, np..gay people can be garbage too..to believe otherwise is, in fact, bigotry) that I think the military is doing good by acknowledging the existence and honor of gay servicemembers..we'll have to insist that I'm lying.  Lying about what?  Who knows...but definitely, for sure, something.  

I certainly -do- think that gay servicemembers opinion about this matter more than people who would object to any military whatsit whatsoever on account of rolling warcrimes, if the subject is a pro lgbtq tweet by the military - and obviously don't mind saying it..and repeating it..and making sure you understand that's exactly what I think.  Another swing and a miss.  Dude, lets just foreclose on this hope of yours that any kind of concern trolling about anything whatsoever will ever work with me, shall we?  You're talking to someone who can level a weapon at another person and kill them in absolute calm.  Do you really think that a person like that is going to be cowed into or argued out of some thing they hold on the basis of it looking bad to you, or anyone else on the internet.  I've had to look peoples kids in the eye after I shot their parents in front of them.. and I didn't even blink.  Can you see why this has never worked on me.  Can we at least get this out of the way wholly and forever?

That's who I am, that's what I am.  Still, I do wish that the military was as woke when I was in as it (apparently) is now.  It's a hell of a thing to be as committed to something as I was, as many other people were, still are, even when that institution would deny you, deprive you of advancement, dishonorably discharge you...and all of it a farce, it's not as if they would just that moment discover you weren;t straight and boot you.  They knew.  They always knew.  It hung over you like a fucking sword.  Not for failure of service..but for simply being who you are.  I had to ghost some poor fucker who was just the sweetest guy in the world because someone saw me at a bar with him and Had Questions.  Can you understand that?  Can you sympathize.  Has that ever happened to you, where everything you ever dreamed of having hinged on how well you could continuously and plausibly deny a thing everyone knew about you full well?  When I was in the service, I was extremely lonely and isolated because of all this..which was a hell of a thing..because....to quote Tim O'Brien...my service was a love story you silly fucking cooze.

I don't care that you don't like it.  I don't care if some pearl clutchers on the internet don't like it.  None of you are the gay fucking lorax....who speaks for the gay trees....so you can all go fuck yourselves.  That sink in?

I'm not trying to convert you to believing what I believe. That is not the goal. The goal is simply to argue my side, and other people can take from that what they will, and hopefully I learn something along the way and better understand the other side and see if my arguments really hold up to scrutiny. It's like a broadcasted debate between a Christian apologist and a big name atheist. They're not there to change each others opinions. It's more about sport, and maybe some fence sitters will be listening in and shift one way or another.

You basically shat on the majority of gay people for having an opinion. Having an opinion is not always cancel culture, and I get it, you're tough and you've been through shit and discrimination, and I don't discount that, but to be fair, you basically shat on the majority of gay people and falsely accused them of not caring about gay representation because they simply have their own mind and disagree with you on this issue. You need to leave gay people be and let them have an opinion, because they do care about representation, but they also care about representation done right, and when they see fuckery like this, they're going to call it out. Don't accuse me of trying to speak for gay people, because I never did that.

You admitted that the rainbow bullets were not for the majority of gay people and that they're not supposed to understand it because it's not for them and is for a certain niche, so don't therefore turn around and say that gay people don't care about gay representation because they don't agree with something that they're not even supposed to understand in the first place. If gay people in general are not supposed to like this, then let them not like it.

[Irreligious Atheist]

Nope, it was pointed out to him after he made that claim, and he still refused to acknowledge that that was not what OnlineBiker claimed. He still has a chance to go back right now and apologise to OnlineBiker for his false claims toward him, but he won't do it.

What do you mean whataboutism? Because I'm imperfect and make mistakes and sometimes misunderstand people, I'm therefore not allowed to point out mistakes when others make them? We're all imperfect and make mistakes. We're all hypocrites in one way or another.

I'm not going to revisit another thread.  Perhaps you are correct, but I've learned through experience that giving you the benefit of the doubt that what you're saying is not wildly inaccurate is a mistake.  Take it for what it's worth.  If you don't understand how your comment was whataboutism, then you truly have shit for brains.  It makes me wonder whether giving you the benefit of the doubt that you aren't making posts in bad faith might also be a mistake.

Nudge just admitted it on this page what he did, so if you still don't accept it, you're just covering for Nudge because you like him, and that's fine that you like him, but you're letting how much you like him cloud your judgment. Arguments aren't supposed to be about popularity contests.

I understand what whataboutism is. I gladly admit that I have made plenty of mistakes and sometimes I misunderstand people, so I don't know what more you want from me. Misunderstanding is bound to happen, because text with no body language or facial expressions or tone can be hard to completely guage at times. We all make mistakes, and we are all entitled to point out mistakes. Do you not agree?