Alec Baldwin Shooting

[Fireball]

I gotta draw you a picture?

If you don' t know how to handle guns - DON'T!

Do you see any flaw in that plan?

Flaw? 

Perhaps just the teensiest bit naive?

I'll give an Australian analogy;  85% of us are urbanites living in half a dozen coastal cities.  35% of my country is named desert.  A full 70% is arid and pretty much uninhabitable. 

 Here your average male fancies himself a 'bush expert', an heir of Crocodile Dundee if you will. He ain't, and people  still die from ignorance 'out bush'.

I'd be fascinated to know how many gun owners anywhere have  actually received training about gun safety.

In the rest of the US, I don't know. But in California, one has to sign paperwork stating that they have received training on safe operation of the (new) firearm that they are purchasing. That doesn't mean that they know how to safely shoot. I see people at the gun range all the time with their firearms, not being able to remove the magazine or set the safety, and requiring range officer help. They should go through a course that trains them on how to use their equipment prior to use on a public range, to a far greater depth than what they get at the gun store. Always. I worked as a range officer and trainer for about 14 years with the Boy Scouts of America. I've trained hundreds of kids and dozens of adults on range safety and how to run a gun range, in the case of the adults. I can work with the people on the range for the firearm(s) they are using, but there are millions of others who don't have that opportunity.

[onlinebiker]

It only took the FBI 10 months to tell you what I told you back in October -

Guns don' t just "go off". The trigger WAS pulled. It had to be.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/gun-rust-shoot...d=88311336


So you who said I was wrong - you better go clue in the FBI with your " knowledge"....

And the sad part? Pietta makes a blank firing gun - but in .380 not 45 colt. So they used REAL guns. Forget the " prop gun" bullshit.

A typical movie goer would never know the difference and an expert would approve....

[The Architect Of Fate]

Yet Baldwin says he didn't pull the trigger so it's his word against the FBI who were not there. This hardly proves anything other than the FBI is convinced it had to be pulled. So you can still be wrong and those saying you were wrong can still be right.

[onlinebiker]

Yet Baldwin says he didn't pull the trigger so it's his word against the FBI who were not there. This hardly proves anything other than the FBI is convinced it had to be pulled. So you can still be wrong and those saying you were wrong can still be right.

You really can' t admit being wrong...

The true sign of being a cunt.....

[Fake Messiah]

It only took the FBI 10 months to tell you what I told you back in October -

Guns don' t just "go off". The trigger WAS pulled. It had to be.

And what is your opinion of the murder of Brandon Lee? Do you think that someone on the set also got away with the murder because the actor shooting the gun should have checked it?

[onlinebiker]

It only took the FBI 10 months to tell you what I told you back in October -

Guns don' t just "go off". The trigger WAS pulled. It had to be.

And what is your opinion of the murder of Brandon Lee? Do you think that someone on the set also got away with the murder because the actor shooting the gun should have checked it?

I don' t know the details - but have read it was a blank gun - even those can be.dangerous and if you don' t know how to use it safely you should not handle it and you are responsible for your ignorance...
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[The Architect Of Fate]

You really can' t admit being wrong...

The true sign of being a cunt.....

Nah it's the true sign that I'm not convinced and nothing else. And I have openly admitted I'm wrong multiple times even to an idiot like you. So you're simply lying here.

[Rev. Rye]

And what is your opinion of the murder of Brandon Lee? Do you think that someone on the set also got away with the murder because the actor shooting the gun should have checked it?

I don' t know the details - but have read it was a blank gun - even those can be.dangerous and if you don' t know how to use it safely you should not handle it and you are responsible for your ignorance...
.

I've looked up the case of Brandon Lee when the Baldwin shooting happened, and here's what I said then:

Also, how’s this for a practical precedent? On 31 March 1993, Michael Massee shot Brandon Lee with a gun he believed was loaded with blanks. It was for a scene in The Crow, but, it was improperly loaded and he wound up being shot for real. And, for the record, while I have seen a few of the movies he’s in, I cannot remember any of the characters IMDb says he played. The first time I remember hearing his name, it was when he died and the article said something along the line of “the actor who shot and killed Brandon Lee has died.”

So, what happened to him? Was he legally charged? Nope. After several months’ worth of investigations, Los Angeles DA Jerry Spivey decided to not charge him, explaining “there is no evidence pointing to the kind of negligence the criminal law seeks to punish. The kind of negligence the law seeks to punish is the kind described as willful and wanton. You just can’t find that.”

And when looking up the gun used, it was apparently a real gun. The bullets, while technically blanks, were improperly made, and because they still had their primers, they ended up acting like proper bullets anyway. And when Michael Massee shot Brandon Lee, he was actually aiming to shoot him. He just didn't expect the consequences to be so dire. And he still ended up a free man for the remaining 23 years of his life because the negligence that led to Lee's death wasn't the willful and wanton type that the law's more interested in punishing.

And I think the question in Baldwin's case is how purposeful was Alec Baldwin when that gun went off. If he did indeed pull the trigger, did he intend to do so or did his finger get twitchy at the worst possible time?

[onlinebiker]

I don' t know the details - but have read it was a blank gun - even those can be.dangerous and if you don' t know how to use it safely you should not handle it and you are responsible for your ignorance...
.

I've looked up the case of Brandon Lee when the Baldwin shooting happened, and here's what I said then:

Also, how’s this for a practical precedent? On 31 March 1993, Michael Massee shot Brandon Lee with a gun he believed was loaded with blanks. It was for a scene in The Crow, but, it was improperly loaded and he wound up being shot for real. And, for the record, while I have seen a few of the movies he’s in, I cannot remember any of the characters IMDb says he played. The first time I remember hearing his name, it was when he died and the article said something along the line of “the actor who shot and killed Brandon Lee has died.”

So, what happened to him? Was he legally charged? Nope. After several months’ worth of investigations, Los Angeles DA Jerry Spivey decided to not charge him, explaining “there is no evidence pointing to the kind of negligence the criminal law seeks to punish. The kind of negligence the law seeks to punish is the kind described as willful and wanton. You just can’t find that.”

And when looking up the gun used, it was apparently a real gun. The bullets, while technically blanks, were improperly made, and because they still had their primers, they ended up acting like proper bullets anyway. And when Michael Massee shot Brandon Lee, he was actually aiming to shoot him. He just didn't expect the consequences to be so dire. And he still ended up a free man for the remaining 23 years of his life because the negligence that led to Lee's death wasn't the willful and wanton type that the law's more interested in punishing.

And I think the question in Baldwin's case is how purposeful was Alec Baldwin when that gun went off. If he did indeed pull the trigger, did he intend to do so or did his finger get twitchy at the worst possible time?

With a single action - you have to pull the hammer full back - which stages the cylinder to next round. Simply pulling trigger without setting the hammer will not do anything.

Therefore - if you cock back the hammer - it means you intend to fire the gun.

So he knew the gun was ready to fire.

He then pulled the trigger and the gun fired.

Mr Baldwin had the gun in his hand AND this movievwas his production. He is ultimately responsible for what happened.

[HappySkeptic]

Mr Baldwin had the gun in his hand AND this movievwas his production. He is ultimately responsible for what happened.

Which makes him responsible - the gun or the production?  If it is the production, you would have to show negligence of how the set was run, which I think is a real possibility. 

As for the gun, I've already argued that making each individual responsible, INSTEAD of the people who are paid and trained to keep gun safety on set, is just stupid.  Just have everyone bring their own guns and ammo to work, and have them do their own loading - that would make things safer, right?

I don't for a minute believe Baldwin's claim that he didn't pull the trigger.  It is possible he doesn't remember pulling it.  The shock of what happened could easily have made the previous few seconds fuzzy.  Or, he is just trying to cover his ass.