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RE: Russia and Ukraine
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
September 5, 2022 at 7:07 pm
Quote:Ukraine is not in NATO. They are in Russia's sphere of influence, and that sucks, but thems the rules. I didn't say we should never intervene. We have treaties and NATO for a reason.
Whether they are in Nato or not they are still an ally, They are not in Russia's sphere of influence if they don't want to be. So these rules that exist nowhere but in your head are horseshit. And treatise or not we can and should defend Ukraine and stop them from making stupid decisions. This is a stupid statement.... 
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
September 5, 2022 at 7:08 pm
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Quote:The President of Ukraine knew full well the attack was coming. He lied to his own people and the world, for strategic reasons he says.
https://www.republicworld.com/world-news...eshow.html
Publicly admitting to the looming Russian assault on Ukrainian soil would have led to a mass exodus, as per the Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelesnky
That refutes absolutely nothing I said about Putin's being untrustworthy and a liar.....
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
September 5, 2022 at 7:09 pm
So congrats on two incredibly stupid non-points...
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
September 5, 2022 at 7:10 pm
(September 5, 2022 at 7:08 pm)Helios Wrote: Quote:The President of Ukraine knew full well the attack was coming. He lied to his own people and the world, for strategic reasons he says.
https://www.republicworld.com/world-news...eshow.html
Publicly admitting to the looming Russian assault on Ukrainian soil would have led to a mass exodus, as per the Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelesnky
That refutes absolutely nothing I said about Russia being untrustworthy and a liar.....
lol obviously Russia was going to lie about the imminent invasion. Anyone in his position would, no? That's just smart.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
September 5, 2022 at 7:12 pm
It's probably "just smart" to resist an invasion of your country if you can.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
September 5, 2022 at 7:14 pm
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Quote:lol obviously Russia was going to lie about the imminent invasion. Anyone in his position would, no? That's just smart.
Yeah just like it's totally in his interest to fake peace and then reinvade...That would also be "just smart"
Note that this response doesn't refute the point that he is untrustworthy and is willing to lie to achieve his ends .....
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
September 5, 2022 at 7:15 pm
(September 5, 2022 at 7:12 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: It's probably "just smart" to resist an invasion of your country if you can.
And if you're a weak country bordering on a superpower, you might just have to compromise from time to time and you won't be able to get all you want.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
September 5, 2022 at 7:19 pm
Quote:And if you're a weak country bordering on a superpower, you might just have to compromise from time to time and you won't be able to get all you want.
Nope, Ukraine is a sovereign state that shouldn't have to be bullied by Russia or have to cater to them. Despite your Social Darwinist theory of international affairs.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
September 5, 2022 at 7:20 pm
(September 5, 2022 at 7:14 pm)Helios Wrote: Quote:lol obviously Russia was going to lie about the imminent invasion. Anyone in his position would, no? That's just smart.
Yeah just like it's totally in his interest to fake peace and then reinvade...That would also be "just smart"
Note that this response doesn't refute the point that he is untrustworthy and is willing to lie to achieve his ends .....
Dictators are untrustworthy. News flash. CNN breaking news. The more you know meme, etc, etc. Such deep insight there. I think we are all aware that dictators are untrustworthy, Helios. "Dictators are bad" is a very shallow argument and I don't think the obvious needs to be pointed out time and time again. Let's get past that. Dictators bad. Yes. We're all on the same page in that regard.
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