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RE: does evil exist?
October 8, 2022 at 12:05 am
(October 7, 2022 at 10:36 pm)bennyboy Wrote: (October 7, 2022 at 12:44 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Ostensibly, because some suffering does not qualify as evil, just as suffering -and- evil do not require miasma going around spreading it out like seeds in a terrible harvest. That's why.
We saw some effect or some phenomena, and were wrong about it's cause or instantiation. Getting rid of miasmatic evil does not get rid of the things it was supposed to explain. "What possessed them?" standing in as an expression of ignorance , a failure of our imaginations to contend with the (hypothetical, lol.....) fact that no exterior force or entity is required to make some horrid thing manifest in reality.
It depends on your level of magnification whether a particular suffering is evil.
Take childbirth. Most people consider the suffering of a woman giving birth a worthwhile sacrifice, herself included, because of the resultant "good" of a new human life. Her temporary suffering is balanced by positive hormones before and during, and expectations of joys and pleasures to come.
Well-- maybe humanity is a cancer on Earth bent on creating life-ending systems like nukes or AI-gone-wrong. Maybe the instinct to suffer pain for a greater good is really just another of genetic fuckery, aka evil. Good luck with that one.
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RE: does evil exist?
October 8, 2022 at 1:52 am
(October 8, 2022 at 12:05 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Good luck with that one.
Indeed. Good luck to us all.
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RE: does evil exist?
October 8, 2022 at 10:37 am
(October 8, 2022 at 12:05 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: (October 7, 2022 at 10:36 pm)bennyboy Wrote: It depends on your level of magnification whether a particular suffering is evil.
Take childbirth. Most people consider the suffering of a woman giving birth a worthwhile sacrifice, herself included, because of the resultant "good" of a new human life. Her temporary suffering is balanced by positive hormones before and during, and expectations of joys and pleasures to come.
Well-- maybe humanity is a cancer on Earth bent on creating life-ending systems like nukes or AI-gone-wrong. Maybe the instinct to suffer pain for a greater good is really just another of genetic fuckery, aka evil. Good luck with that one.
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RE: does evil exist?
October 10, 2022 at 1:07 pm
Does cold exist?
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RE: does evil exist?
October 13, 2022 at 5:57 pm
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...or "health" or "wealth".
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: does evil exist?
October 13, 2022 at 11:01 pm
Or a table.
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RE: does evil exist?
October 14, 2022 at 12:33 am
Exactly so.
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RE: does evil exist?
October 30, 2022 at 4:08 pm
If evil exists, the closest thing I would say to it is realistic things and actions, not anything myhtological, supernatrual or superstitous. Bad Things that the catholic church did to people over centuries like child molestation and popes or certain popes defending/protecting the molesters. Also the usual bad stuff like corruption, stealing, lieing, cheating, murder, fruad, taking advantage of people and the like. Thats the closest definition of what I would define as evil for now.
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RE: does evil exist?
November 8, 2022 at 11:45 am
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Does evil exist?
I think there are two types of actions you can do. Actions that benefit you (such as eating healthy food or practicing your social skills by bringing your neighbors a basket of cookies for no reason and socialize for 30 minutes to overcome your shyness/introversion) and actions which harm you (such as liquidating your retirement account, converting it to gold, and tossing it out an airplane window over the vast Pacific ocean).
Given that neither of those 2 categories of behavior seem evil to me, then I would tend to believe evil doesn't exist because nobody should be compelled to act against their own self-interests. (unless the person compelling you to act against your self-interests is he himself evil)
Now that I've contradicted myself, it's probably best (next time) to just copy an existing argument that has been eloquently stated online before and just modify/incorporate that argument into your own words and add minor nuances, so you don't contradict yourself. For example, the villain from the Saw movies (if a person like that were real). After submitting this post, I'll search online for an essay about the film and analyzing whether the villain was evil and reading what a highly-cogent person has to say about it.
Therefore, let us glory, yea, we will glory in the Lord; yes, we will rejoice, for our joy is full; yea, we will praise our God forever. Behold, who can glory too much in the Lord? Yea, who can say too much of his great power, and of his mercy, and of his long-suffering towards to children of men? Behold, I say unto you, I cannot say the smallest part which I feel. 🙏
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RE: does evil exist?
November 8, 2022 at 1:53 pm
(November 8, 2022 at 11:45 am)HankMoody316 Wrote: (such as liquidating your retirement account, converting it to gold, and tossing it out an airplane window over the vast Pacific ocean).
I suspect that if you threw someone else's retirement account out the window, that would be really bad. And if you threw that person himself out the window, that would be evil.
Maybe you're such a nice person that you can't think of evil enough examples.
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