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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 20, 2022 at 4:43 pm
Quote:Yes, this is very important for me. I realize that in this, as in most things, I am in the minority. But I appreciate your approach.
It clearly isn't important to you as all you do is spam whatever link supports your opinion and avoid any criticism. Your approach isn't an approach.....
Quote:That's fair. It's wise, I think, not to give blanket approval to any individual channel or web site.
Over the years we build up trust in individuals and give greater weight to what they have to say -- always remembering that anyone can be wrong. Sadly, the propagandists generally speak the loudest.
As above this clearly isn't the case as the sources you cite show everyone here......
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 20, 2022 at 5:12 pm
The War in one picture
"Change was inevitable"
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 20, 2022 at 7:56 pm
Pretending that the Russians are a universal evil has been useful.
https://nypost.com/2022/10/19/its-been-t...apologize/
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 20, 2022 at 8:25 pm
(October 20, 2022 at 7:56 pm)Belacqua Wrote: Pretending that the Russians are a universal evil has been useful.
https://nypost.com/2022/10/19/its-been-t...apologize/
Another stellar source of info...
Miranda Devine (born 1 July 1961) is an Australian columnist and writer, now based in New York City. She hosted The Miranda Devine Show on Sydney radio station 2GB. The show ended in 2015.[1] She has written for column, Fairfax Media newspapers The Sydney Morning Herald and The Sun-Herald, and for News Limited newspapers Daily Telegraph, Sunday Telegraph, Melbourne's Sunday Herald Sun and Perth's Sunday Times. As of 2022, she writes for the New York Post.
Devine is a controversial figure and several of her statements about race, gender and the environment have been the subject of public scrutiny and debate.[2][3][4]
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 20, 2022 at 8:38 pm
Proxy war:
Quote:"The United States aids Ukraine and her people," Adam Schiff declared in January 2020, "so that we can fight Russia over there, and we don’t have to fight Russia here."
Schiff made this statement during the opening of Donald Trump's first impeachment trial, where the Democratic Party's bid to ensure unimpeded US weapons sales to Ukraine was presented, and widely accepted, as a valiant defense of US democracy and national security.
Two years later, the US use of Ukraine to "fight Russia over there" has reached its logical end-game: illegally, murderously, and catastrophically, Russia has invaded Ukraine to end the fight.
https://mate.substack.com/p/by-using-ukr...ght-russia
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 20, 2022 at 8:41 pm
(October 20, 2022 at 8:38 pm)Belacqua Wrote: Proxy war:
Quote:"The United States aids Ukraine and her people," Adam Schiff declared in January 2020, "so that we can fight Russia over there, and we don’t have to fight Russia here."
Schiff made this statement during the opening of Donald Trump's first impeachment trial, where the Democratic Party's bid to ensure unimpeded US weapons sales to Ukraine was presented, and widely accepted, as a valiant defense of US democracy and national security.
Two years later, the US use of Ukraine to "fight Russia over there" has reached its logical end-game: illegally, murderously, and catastrophically, Russia has invaded Ukraine to end the fight.
https://mate.substack.com/p/by-using-ukr...ght-russia And another marvelously unbiased source.
Aaron Maté is a Canadian journalist and a reporter. He currently works as reporter for The Grayzone, a fringe[2] [3] blog known for its sympathetic coverage of authoritarian regimes,[4] pro-Putin propaganda,[5] and denial of the Uyghur genocide.[6][7]
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 20, 2022 at 8:43 pm
C'mon with it Bel, I can Google too.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 20, 2022 at 9:26 pm
(October 20, 2022 at 8:38 pm)Belacqua Wrote: Proxy war:
Quote:"The United States aids Ukraine and her people," Adam Schiff declared in January 2020, "so that we can fight Russia over there, and we don’t have to fight Russia here."
Schiff made this statement during the opening of Donald Trump's first impeachment trial, where the Democratic Party's bid to ensure unimpeded US weapons sales to Ukraine was presented, and widely accepted, as a valiant defense of US democracy and national security.
Two years later, the US use of Ukraine to "fight Russia over there" has reached its logical end-game: illegally, murderously, and catastrophically, Russia has invaded Ukraine to end the fight.
https://mate.substack.com/p/by-using-ukr...ght-russia
Vietnam was a proxy war for Russia fighting America.
The Afghan war, after the Russian invasion, was a proxy war for America fighting Russia and, much later, for Russia fighting Americans (remember Putin putting bounties on the heads of US servicemen?).
Proxy wars between the West and Russia are nothing new.
Russia is not a "universal evil".
It is, however, at this point in time, a dictatorship with a megalomaniac in charge who has lied frequently to justify his invasion of a neighbouring country.
A country that has long suffered due to the whims of Russia.
Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni:
"You did WHAT? With WHO? WHERE???"
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 20, 2022 at 9:57 pm
(This post was last modified: October 20, 2022 at 9:58 pm by The Architect Of Fate.)
Quote:Proxy war:
Quote: Wrote:"The United States aids Ukraine and her people," Adam Schiff declared in January 2020, "so that we can fight Russia over there, and we don’t have to fight Russia here."
Schiff made this statement during the opening of Donald Trump's first impeachment trial, where the Democratic Party's bid to ensure unimpeded US weapons sales to Ukraine was presented, and widely accepted, as a valiant defense of US democracy and national security.
Two years later, the US use of Ukraine to "fight Russia over there" has reached its logical end-game: illegally, murderously, and catastrophically, Russia has invaded Ukraine to end the fight.
https://mate.substack.com/p/by-using-ukr...ght-russia Using Greyzone as a source again and Shiff clearly means that means we need to stop Russian expansionism or it will come to the shores of the US. That's not evidence of a proxy war. That's evidence that Shiff was for aiding Ukraine against Russian Aggression in 2020. And Russia is the only aggressor here. They started this fight and they will lose it.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 20, 2022 at 10:02 pm
Quote:Pretending that the Russians are a universal evil has been useful.
https://nypost.com/2022/10/19/its-been-t...apologize/
Lol, The New York Post .....
Hunter Bidens Laptop ......
Pretending the US is responsible for the election .......
Both bad sourcing and looney fringe nonsense. Russia isn't a universal evil it is however in its current state a problem.....
"Change was inevitable"
Nemo sicut deus debet esse!
“No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?”
–SHIRLEY CHISHOLM
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