Even if theism is a failure, it's still superior to atheism

[Jehanne]

As an abstraction, or, in reality?  If, as an abstraction, the rooms would not exist, physically, and would instead be abstract objects; if, physical, the space of the room would not be finite, but, infinite, which would mean that the room could not have six walls, which would denote a finite area.

Is God, which theists denote with infinite attributes, just an abstraction?

It was a joke  Jeh.......

To a mathematician (which I am not), it's a serious question, namely, infinities within infinities. For instance, on the real number line between 1 and 2, an infinite, uncountable, set of numbers exist; you can start with 1, but, then, you are done, because, you cannot possibly begin to enumerate all of the real numbers between 1 and 2, even if you would count forever and ever.

On the other hand, if you limit yourself to the rational numbers between 1 and 2, you can count those, even though there are an infinite number of them; you'll just spend forever counting them.

[arewethereyet]

Why are we using math to prove or disprove the value of theism vs. atheism?

[Jehanne]

Why are we using math to prove or disprove the value of theism vs. atheism?

Trying to impute infinite characteristics to a God is problematic.

[polymath257]

Why are we using math to prove or disprove the value of theism vs. atheism?

Because, going back to Plato, mathematics has been used to make the claim that things can exist that we cannot demonstrate via our senses. Extending that line of thought leads to the idea that there are 'perfect' entities that can exist in ways that cannot be detected except via the intellect.

Some theists use this line of thought to support their belief in deities.

One Platonic dialog has Socrates supporting the notion that we never learn anything. Instead, we 'remember' what we have forgotten when we were born.

The dialog used a slave and a math problem to justify the line of reasoning.

[werenothereyet]

The main claim of this topic is that atheism leads to a psychotic breakdown,

Um, nope, that isn't my claim. Atheism per se doesn't necessarily lead to some mental crisis because, evidently, many atheists enjoy good mental health.

By contrast, being an atheist, or more generally not adhering to some form of "hero system", a recurrent concept in The Denial of Death, combined with being fully aware of death or, rather, the finality of death, this is a sure fire way for a descent into darkness. This is, by the way, not my claim, but the main result that Ernest Becker defended on the basis of centuries of scholarly research in psychology.

, but the problem is that the alternative (believing that a man flew on a donkey and split the moon)

Well, first of all, the Islamic narrative you're making fun of here doesn't exactly say that. The supernatural creature named Buraq' isn't a donkey, and Muhammad didn't claim that he split the moon, he simply asked God to do so, and God answered his prayer.

God being able to split the moon isn't a far-fetched scenario under theism, so I'm not sure why you think parodying Islam's popular accounts of miracles is somehow a good argument against religion. Any argument against theism should point out to an observation or an indisputed fact that is unlikely to occur under theism, that's why the problem of evil is prima facie a challenging argument against theism (though it ultimately fails, but that's another topic) : the existence of evil is not intuitive under theism. A moon being split is, to wit, just another normal day .... under theism.

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[Ranjr]

So batshit crazy is normal under theism.  Got it.

[Angrboda]

You know, it wouldn't trouble me if Rotkit were psychotic, and I wouldn't draw any conclusions from it. It's his stupidity which is annoying.

[Fake Messiah]

By contrast, being an atheist, or more generally not adhering to some form of "hero system", a recurrent concept in The Denial of Death, combined with being fully aware of death or, rather, the finality of death, this is a sure fire way for a descent into darkness. This is, by the way, not my claim, but the main result that Ernest Becker defended on the basis of centuries of scholarly research in psychology.

You are one experiment in psychology, and you are insane, probably because of forcing yorself to believe in nonsense aka Buraq, splitting of the moon, jinns, etc. Seriously, think about getting help.

[werenothereyet]

LOL. Three counts of ad hominem above. Anything else ?

[werenothereyet]

If anyone has a good answer write it down and send it now, sounds like no admin is online lolol.