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RE: Anarcho-capitalist libertarianism
December 3, 2022 at 9:26 am
(December 3, 2022 at 6:44 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (December 3, 2022 at 5:01 am)FlatAssembler Wrote: Actually, the economic freedom index is correlated negatively with things like air pollution and carbon footprint. People in less free countries tend to heat up their homes by burning wood or coal, both of which are way more polluting than natural gas.
Why are you equating 'socialistic societies' with 'less free countries'? Socialism does not - and never has - necessarily entailed a diminishment of personal freedom.
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RE: Anarcho-capitalist libertarianism
December 3, 2022 at 9:34 am
(December 3, 2022 at 8:47 am)Belacqua Wrote: (December 3, 2022 at 8:12 am)Jehanne Wrote: 11 more years!!
I was interested to learn recently that electronics giant Huawei is socialist -- it is wholly owned by its employees. Its founder has only a 1.7% share.
This is one of the reasons the US has been working to block them through unfair trade practices -- for example imprisoning their CFO on bogus charges. It's because the US doesn't like it when the workers make the profits, rather than Wall Street investment types.
The other reason is that the US spy agencies want back door access to all electronic communications (as Edward Snowden revealed) and Huawei doesn't play along.
No longer:
U.S. judge dismisses indictment against Huawei CFO that strained U.S.-China relations
Dismissed with prejudice.
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RE: Anarcho-capitalist libertarianism
December 3, 2022 at 9:37 am
(December 3, 2022 at 5:01 am)FlatAssembler Wrote: (December 3, 2022 at 12:24 am)Jehanne Wrote: Overall, socialistic societies, per capita, have a lower carbon footprint. When all the ancient sunlight has been consumed, socialistic societies will be better structured to deal with the ensuing chaos. Actually, the economic freedom index is correlated negatively with things like air pollution and carbon footprint. People in less free countries tend to heat up their homes by burning wood or coal, both of which are way more polluting than natural gas.
You can judge for yourself:
Wikipedia -- List of countries by greenhouse gas emissions per capita
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RE: Anarcho-capitalist libertarianism
December 3, 2022 at 1:10 pm
(December 3, 2022 at 8:47 am)Belacqua Wrote: (December 3, 2022 at 8:12 am)Jehanne Wrote: 11 more years!!
I was interested to learn recently that electronics giant Huawei is socialist -- it is wholly owned by its employees. Its founder has only a 1.7% share.
This is one of the reasons the US has been working to block them through unfair trade practices -- for example imprisoning their CFO on bogus charges. It's because the US doesn't like it when the workers make the profits, rather than Wall Street investment types.
The other reason is that the US spy agencies want back door access to all electronic communications (as Edward Snowden revealed) and Huawei doesn't play along.
Were you also interested to learn that the Chinese National Intelligence Law requires Chinese citizen, companies and corporations to cooperate with and assist in intelligence gathering for the PRC, and to deny any such involvement?
I’m guessing you weren’t interested to learn it since you didn’t (if you had, you might not be so quick to use the term ‘bogus charges’).
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RE: Anarcho-capitalist libertarianism
December 3, 2022 at 1:51 pm
(October 28, 2022 at 11:23 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Eleven years. Eleven fucking years.
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RE: Anarcho-capitalist libertarianism
December 3, 2022 at 1:52 pm
(December 3, 2022 at 8:47 am)Belacqua Wrote: I was interested to learn recently that electronics giant Huawei is socialist -- it is wholly owned by its employees. Huawei claims to be owned by its employees, which is disputed.
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RE: Anarcho-capitalist libertarianism
December 3, 2022 at 1:59 pm
(December 3, 2022 at 8:47 am)Belacqua Wrote: I was interested to learn recently that electronics giant Huawei is socialist -- it is wholly owned by its employees. Its founder has only a 1.7% share.
This is one of the reasons the US has been working to block them through unfair trade practices -- for example imprisoning their CFO on bogus charges. It's because the US doesn't like it when the workers make the profits, rather than Wall Street investment types. Worker cooperatives are quite common all across Europe.
I havent seen the US actively working against any of them, yet. Ok, possibly because i am brainwashed by mainstream media, stuff like that.
Maybe thats the reason for trying to gather control over Europe? To eliminate all those cooperatives!?
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RE: Anarcho-capitalist libertarianism
December 3, 2022 at 2:06 pm
(December 3, 2022 at 1:10 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (December 3, 2022 at 8:47 am)Belacqua Wrote: I was interested to learn recently that electronics giant Huawei is socialist -- it is wholly owned by its employees. Its founder has only a 1.7% share.
This is one of the reasons the US has been working to block them through unfair trade practices -- for example imprisoning their CFO on bogus charges. It's because the US doesn't like it when the workers make the profits, rather than Wall Street investment types.
The other reason is that the US spy agencies want back door access to all electronic communications (as Edward Snowden revealed) and Huawei doesn't play along.
Were you also interested to learn that the Chinese National Intelligence Law requires Chinese citizen, companies and corporations to cooperate with and assist in intelligence gathering for the PRC, and to deny any such involvement?
I’m guessing you weren’t interested to learn it since you didn’t (if you had, you might not be so quick to use the term ‘bogus charges’).
Boru
Actually, the bogus charge had nothing to do with alledged participation in intelligence gathering. In fact thorough analysis of Huaiwei’s ware by western industrial consultants have failed to reveal hidden intelligence gathering and backdoor access to what they sell. The bogus charge leveled at the CFO alledged the CFO’s participation in Huaiwei, a Chinese company, operating in Iran, against US laws.
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RE: Anarcho-capitalist libertarianism
December 3, 2022 at 2:12 pm
(December 3, 2022 at 1:51 pm)brewer Wrote: (October 28, 2022 at 11:23 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Eleven years. Eleven fucking years.
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What time is it now?
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RE: Anarcho-capitalist libertarianism
December 3, 2022 at 2:16 pm
(December 3, 2022 at 8:47 am)Belacqua Wrote: (December 3, 2022 at 8:12 am)Jehanne Wrote: 11 more years!!
I was interested to learn recently that electronics giant Huawei is socialist -- it is wholly owned by its employees. Its founder has only a 1.7% share.
This is one of the reasons the US has been working to block them through unfair trade practices -- for example imprisoning their CFO on bogus charges. It's because the US doesn't like it when the workers make the profits, rather than Wall Street investment types.
The other reason is that the US spy agencies want back door access to all electronic communications (as Edward Snowden revealed) and Huawei doesn't play along.
Being owned by employees is not socialist, eventhough it elicits knee jerk reaction from those who thinks society can only be grudgingly allowed to exist if it makes no imposition whatsoever on them while doing nothing but labor to enrich and aggrandize themselves. To be socialist the rest of the society must be entitled to share in the profits of the company as if they were the owners.
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