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Mass shooting in the middle school Vladislav Ribnikar in Belgrade
RE: Mass shooting in the middle school Vladislav Ribnikar in Belgrade
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RE: Mass shooting in the middle school Vladislav Ribnikar in Belgrade
(May 14, 2023 at 6:06 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: [Image: g9Ynqll.jpg]

I feel safer already, just knowing he’s out there.

Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
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RE: Mass shooting in the middle school Vladislav Ribnikar in Belgrade
(May 13, 2023 at 6:49 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:
(May 13, 2023 at 4:49 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: "He might have a bias." is not a valid argument to reject a scientific study. You need to prove that he has a bias by doing a better study.

Right, which is why you don't settle for the first "study"/opinion piece coming down the pike as having anything but tentative conclusions. And that doesn't address the other problems. The bottom line is that accepting the only study of a field as more accurate simply because no others have yet been done is idiotic. It's assuming the study is correct in its conclusions, and as we know, or should know as you apparently do not, the onus of evidence is on the claimant.

The burden of proof initially lies on one making the claim. But once the one making the claim provides some proof, the burden of proof switches onto the one who is claiming that proof is wrong.
Think of the Mad Revisionists, the conspiracy theorists who are claiming that the Moon doesn't exist. They claim that the burden of proof is on us who claim the Moon exists, but that's incortect. There is a proof that the Moon exists: we see it. Since they claim there is something wrong with that proof, that the Moon is a hologram, the burden of proof is on them.

Besides, I think that the burden of proof even a-priori lies on those supporting gun control. Gun control is a coercive government policy, and claiming that coercion helps is an extraordinary claim. Extraordinary claim requires extraordinary evidence.
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RE: Mass shooting in the middle school Vladislav Ribnikar in Belgrade
(May 14, 2023 at 5:46 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Based on this Teen Uses Slingshot To Rescue Sister

Quote:A teenager helped save his younger sister from an alleged kidnapper by shooting the suspect with his slingshot, Michigan authorities said.

I can confidently conclude that slingshots save an estimated 462 355 lives per year.

Boru

LOL, wait, what data are you basing your conclusion on? How mant people did you interview and how?
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RE: Mass shooting in the middle school Vladislav Ribnikar in Belgrade
I went to take out the trash, and there was a fucking gorilla in my driveway. Good thing I had my slingshot!

I was minding my own business at the zoo when I noticed there was a goddamned gorilla in the bushes. Nobody else saw it. I'm there with my kids. I knew I had to act. Good thing I had my slingshot!
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Mass shooting in the middle school Vladislav Ribnikar in Belgrade
(May 14, 2023 at 5:46 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(May 14, 2023 at 5:33 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Ban wristrockets!

Nonsense…we must encourage all people to carry them wherever they go. Clearly, the more slingshots in the hand of violence-prone people who know bugger all about slingshot safety will result in fewer people being injured by slingshots.

Contrariwise, if slingshots are banned, more people will be murdered by slingshots.

Boru

But -- but -- they're being used to save sisters.

Ye gods, I must go clean up after typing that.

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RE: Mass shooting in the middle school Vladislav Ribnikar in Belgrade
(May 14, 2023 at 8:14 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: Gun control is a coercive government policy, and claiming that coercion helps is an extraordinary claim. Extraordinary claim requires extraordinary evidence.

I need to know that Kleck is not full of shit. Whatcha got? Show me how you know his numbers are good. That's your only assignment for your next reply to me.

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RE: Mass shooting in the middle school Vladislav Ribnikar in Belgrade
(May 14, 2023 at 11:01 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I went to take out the trash, and there was a fucking gorilla in my driveway.  Good thing I had my slingshot!  

I was minding my own business at the zoo when I noticed there was a goddamned gorilla in the bushes.  Nobody else saw it.  I'm there with my kids.  I knew I had to act.  Good thing I had my slingshot!

I saw a werewolf drinking a piña colada at Trader Vic's. Man, his hair was perfect.

So I shot him.

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RE: Mass shooting in the middle school Vladislav Ribnikar in Belgrade
(May 14, 2023 at 8:14 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote:
(May 13, 2023 at 6:49 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Right, which is why you don't settle for the first "study"/opinion piece coming down the pike as having anything but tentative conclusions. And that doesn't address the other problems. The bottom line is that accepting the only study of a field as more accurate simply because no others have yet been done is idiotic. It's assuming the study is correct in its conclusions, and as we know, or should know as you apparently do not, the onus of evidence is on the claimant.

The burden of proof initially lies on one making the claim. But once the one making the claim provides some proof, the burden of proof switches onto the one who is claiming that proof is wrong.
Think of the Mad Revisionists, the conspiracy theorists who are claiming that the Moon doesn't exist. They claim that the burden of proof is on us who claim the Moon exists, but that's incortect. There is a proof that the Moon exists: we see it. Since they claim there is something wrong with that proof, that the Moon is a hologram, the burden of proof is on them.

Besides, I think that the burden of proof even a-priori lies on those supporting gun control. Gun control is a coercive government policy, and claiming that coercion helps is an extraordinary claim. Extraordinary claim requires extraordinary evidence.

Seat belts in cars can be considered a coercive government policy, as can air bags, eliminating asbestos and lead-based paints in construction, non-toxic children's toys, health standards for food handling, and workplace safety regulations. These clearly help. How is that claim extraordinary?

Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
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RE: Mass shooting in the middle school Vladislav Ribnikar in Belgrade
(May 15, 2023 at 7:50 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:
(May 14, 2023 at 11:01 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I went to take out the trash, and there was a fucking gorilla in my driveway.  Good thing I had my slingshot!  

I was minding my own business at the zoo when I noticed there was a goddamned gorilla in the bushes.  Nobody else saw it.  I'm there with my kids.  I knew I had to act.  Good thing I had my slingshot!

I saw a werewolf drinking a piña colada at Trader Vic's. Man, his hair was perfect.

So I shot him.

All valid points of data in the very best studies on defensive use.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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