Islam owns atheism with a single verse

[Anomalocaris]

I don't want to get into comparative religion here because it'll become really messy, but since there is no serious competitor to Islam, it must be that Islam is God's message - assuming God exists.

I know atheists are fond of bringing out the problem of incompatible revelations, but it's a very weak objection in my opinion. They're just too lazy to consider the plausibility of each revelation.

Religions that are local, or which advocate for some individuals to be the incarnation of God, or for one nation to be God's chosen nation, can't be taken seriously.  Islam doesn't have any of these fatal defects, so it's most likely the only one that should be examined more closely.

This is the point where you full on flee reality, isn't it?  OFC there are "serious competitors" to islam...what can you even mean by that absurd statement?  

Who said anything about incompatible revelations in comparative religion?  Is that the thing you'd rather talk about, than be held accountable for the nonsense that keeps falling from your own mouth?

Oh, so now a god can't even have a chosen people?  Fucking A you believers are thirsty.  Maybe gods just not into you?  Don't feel bad, never asked me over to netflix and chill either.

Again, consider all of the justifications you'd have to make for each of these statements..each likely to be more absurd than the last if the past few posts are any indication...and remember, even you know that it's not on the basis of any of these "arguments" that you believe what you do.  They're all ad hoc rationalizations for an immediate perceptual belief.

Fleeing from reality at this point means at some prior point he had not already been at a maximal distance from reality.    That proposition is falsified by his tripping over his own grand entrance of “owning atheism with one verse”.

[Angrboda]

Having an intuition is reasonable. Reasoning towards some thing or other being the best explanation of that intuition is not. It's the latter step that fails you, and that can't be blamed on an intuition.

[Bucky Ball]

If reality has always existed, then both First Cause and Infinite Regress can be dispensed with.

Boru

Not really. There could be an eternal first cause, which means reality always existed since it would at least contain this first cause.

A reality which "contains" a First Cause means Reality was not created by your First Cause, (which by definition is absurd if it really is a "First Cause"). 
That Reality is one in which the First Cause is only the cause of everything EXCEPT Reality. 
You don't get how stupid that is ?

[Anomalocaris]

What was the always existent first cause doing before it bestirred itself to first cause?    Was it causing the first cause?  If it is wasn’t doing anything, then in what way did it exist?

[Bucky Ball]

What was the first cause doing before it caused?   Was it causing the cause?

Apparently is was the Cause of everything, except everything.
Gods outside Reality are not real.
Oops.

[The Grand Nudger]

The intutition, on it's own, isn't even all that objectionable.  Let's take a look at it's parts.

all this couldn't have come by chance, 

I mean, maybe it could have..but it doesn't look like it did.  

all this beauty and richness of the world, 

Case in point, the flowers and the trees aren't here by chance.  They're here because of natural processes, natural selection.

couldn't have been there without some supreme power

I don't think that I can even conceive of all of the power in the universe.  Raw bang bang power...but also subtle generative power.  

Who knows, it might even be capable of creating these little gods you believe in.  I know we are.

[Angrboda]

Kami ftw.

[Loaded dice]

This is the point where you full on flee reality, isn't it?  OFC there are "serious competitors" to islam...what can you even mean by that absurd statement?  

We're all ears. Name the religion you think would be a competitor, or a better candidate for God's message, than Islam.

Oh, so now a god can't even have a chosen people? 

The God who fashioned stars, supernovas, galaxies, etc., who made universal physical laws for all the universe, doesn't fit the picture of a tribal god. 

More to the point, God having a chosen people runs contrary to benevolence, justness, and countless other properties that are traditionally attributed to Him.

And one more thing: assuming God chose nation X, I either belong or don't belong to X, if I do, I'm safe without doing anything, if I don't, I'm doomed no matter what I do. Either way, I don't do anything and the entire issue becomes meaningless.

Maybe gods just not into you?  

He created me. I feel endowed and blessed. That should be enough, I guess.

I will never be grateful enough for my own existence, will you ?

Again, consider all of the justifications you'd have to make for each of these statements..each likely to be more absurd than the last if the past few posts are any indication...and remember, even you know that it's not on the basis of any of these "arguments" that you believe what you do.  They're all ad hoc rationalizations for an immediate perceptual belief.

I think you already muddied the waters when you mentioned Islam, rather prematurely. I explained why prophets, heaven and hell, etc. make sense in general. If you agree with that, you can move forward and state why you think it's far fetched to consider Islam as a serious candidate.

[Fake Messiah]

I just hold to an intuition that I find extremely compelling, along the lines of "all this couldn't have come by chance, all this beauty and richness of the world, couldn't have been there without some supreme power".

David Attenborough disproves Islam

[The Grand Nudger]

This is the point where you full on flee reality, isn't it?  OFC there are "serious competitors" to islam...what can you even mean by that absurd statement?  

We're all ears. Name the religion you think would be a competitor, or a better candidate for God's message, than Islam.

I doubt that you're all ears, or even willing to listen - but..ofc..all religions are a serious competitor for islam.  

Oh, so now a god can't even have a chosen people? 

The God who fashioned stars, supernovas, galaxies, etc., who made universal physical laws for all the universe, doesn't fit the picture of a tribal god. 

It's also a god that doesn't exist.  Remember, the god that did x is predicate on x having been done.....but I'm not too concerned by that yet.  Every tribe swears their gods made the sun moon and stars.  Islam no less so.

More to the point, God having a chosen people runs contrary to benevolence, justness, and countless other properties that are traditionally attributed to Him.

You already shit on properties traditionally attributed to god™...but..It doesn't - and you'll have to come up with even more batshit ad hoc rationalizations to explain that batshit ad hoc rationalization.  

And one more thing: assuming God chose nation X, I either belong or don't belong to X, if I do, I'm safe without doing anything, if I don't, I'm doomed no matter what I do. Either way, I don't do anything and the entire issue becomes meaningless.

Indeed, the entire issue is meaningless, and I'll count on your support the next time one of you nuts pops in telling me that if I don't bow down to your tribal god it's going to hurt me.  Here, or in the hereafter.

Maybe gods just not into you?  

He created me. I feel endowed and blessed. That should be enough, I guess.

I will never be grateful enough for my own existence, will you ?

Your poor mom and dad.  Do you ever give them credit for anything?

Again, consider all of the justifications you'd have to make for each of these statements..each likely to be more absurd than the last if the past few posts are any indication...and remember, even you know that it's not on the basis of any of these "arguments" that you believe what you do.  They're all ad hoc rationalizations for an immediate perceptual belief.

I think you already muddied the waters when you mentioned Islam, rather prematurely. I explained why prophets, heaven and hell, etc. make sense in general. If you agree with that, you can move forward and state why you think it's far fetched to consider Islam as a serious candidate.

No, you gave us a glimpse into the morass of ideas your discordant beliefs produce.  Still are.

You don't realize how often you come out sounding like a raving atheist when you try to respond to me, do you?