Gender

[GrandizerII]

What many people fail to comprehend is that being either male or female is more than biology.

Name me one quality, other than biological, that makes one a man?

I can't answer this question adequately because it's not phrased properly. There is no one thing that "makes" one a man, including some biological thing. It's a combination of things, biological and otherwise, that makes one identify as a man. Sure, the vast majority of people with penises or Y chromosomes identify as men, but we also have to consider physiological factors here as well, along with neurological and cultural, if we want to be able to capture more precisely what "makes" one a man.

[no one]

Mez noz undrstandz how peepelz can b difurantantz, so mez sayz meen stuf.

Cuz my pee peez iz so bigz.

[arewethereyet]

It would be more honest to say "I was born a woman, but always felt like a man".  That's the truth, rather than saying "I am now a man".

It's fascinating to me how the two things you seem to show up for are trans topics and immigration topics.

Your intolerant, bigoted ass needs to find a new place to visit.

You are an extremely icky human.

[GrandizerII]

It's hard to understand experientially if you're not trans. But someone like Elliott would say that they have this very strong feeling that they're more aligned with the men within their societies than they are with the women, physiologically, psychologically, and societally. They experience themselves as men, and not just claim to be men. So why be disrespectful with regards to their own experiences and insist they can't be counted as men?

Because they aren't men. You can't even identify one single non-biological characteristic that makes one male. If I tell you I see pink elephants should you respect me and agree?

Says who? They might not have been born with penises or have Y chromosomes, but they might have physiological activities going on inside their bodies that are typically common in men than in women. Subjectively, they might have this strong nagging feeling that they're mentally male (per what society considers to be male) and that their outward bodies don't match very well with their internal experiences. They might look very manly, behave very manly. Why must we insist then that only the genitals one is born with or the chromosomes they possess should dictate one's gender?

If you tell me you see pink elephants, and I don't see them anywhere, then I wouldn't believe you. That doesn't mean I'd not respect you regardless. Anyway, this is a bad analogy, because gender is far more complex than color, and no one is saying we should agree with someone who claims to be a bear or elephant or non-human species, when clearly we (modern humans) are confined to this one extant human species for various reasons, like common ancestry.

[Lek]

It would be more honest to say "I was born a woman, but always felt like a man".  That's the truth, rather than saying "I am now a man".

It's fascinating to me how the two things you seem to show up for are trans topics and immigration topics.

Your intolerant, bigoted ass needs to find a new place to visit.

You are an extremely icky human.

This is what I get when I try to discuss issues I'm this forum. When you can't answer you turn to name-calling. I thought atheists believed in hard facts. I know why you can't come up with even one non-biological male characteristic. It's because that one characteristic would be a criterion for being male. Elliott Page could help herself more by acting like a man if she wants, but accepting the truth of who she is. Cutting her breasts off isn't going to do anything to help the situation. Making up her own definition of a man won't help either.

[arewethereyet]

It's fascinating to me how the two things you seem to show up for are trans topics and immigration topics.

Your intolerant, bigoted ass needs to find a new place to visit.

You are an extremely icky human.

This is what I get when I try to discuss issues I'm this forum. When you can't answer you turn to name-calling. I thought atheists believed in hard facts. I know why you can't come up with even one non-biological male characteristic. It's because that one characteristic would be a criterion for being male. Elliott Page could help herself more by acting like a man if she wants, but accepting the truth of who she is. Cutting her breasts off isn't going to do anything to help the situation. Making up her own definition of a man won't help either.

You aren't here to discuss a damn thing.  You show up to spew your hate.

I can't speak for Elliott Page, obviously.  It isn't up to you to decide a damn thing about her breasts or removal of them.  Don't go there anyway...as someone who had no choice but to have mine removed, I am not going to judge someone else who made a drastic choice with regard to their body.  I KNOW that removing breasts is a big damn deal...whatever the reason.

[Silver]

And yet you keep parading your narrow view of what you think identifies every biological male.

[Lek]

Me: What gender are you?

You: Female.

Me: Why are you Female?

You: Because I feel that way.

Me: What is that feeling.

You: That I am a woman.

Me: What is a woman?

You: It's what I am.

[Lek]

This is what I get when I try to discuss issues I'm this forum. When you can't answer you turn to name-calling. I thought atheists believed in hard facts. I know why you can't come up with even one non-biological male characteristic. It's because that one characteristic would be a criterion for being male. Elliott Page could help herself more by acting like a man if she wants, but accepting the truth of who she is. Cutting her breasts off isn't going to do anything to help the situation. Making up her own definition of a man won't help either.

You aren't here to discuss a damn thing.  You show up to spew your hate.

I can't speak for Elliott Page, obviously.  It isn't up to you to decide a damn thing about her breasts or removal of them.  Don't go there anyway...as someone who had no choice but to have mine removed, I am not going to judge someone else who made a drastic choice with regard to their body.  I KNOW that removing breasts is a big damn deal...whatever the reason.

You're right about it being a big deal. Sorry you had to go through that.

[Ravenshire]

It's fascinating to me how the two things you seem to show up for are trans topics and immigration topics.

Your intolerant, bigoted ass needs to find a new place to visit.

You are an extremely icky human.

This is what I get when I try to discuss issues I'm this forum. When you can't answer you turn to name-calling. I thought atheists believed in hard facts. I know why you can't come up with even one non-biological male characteristic. It's because that one characteristic would be a criterion for being male. Elliott Page could help herself more by acting like a man if she wants, but accepting the truth of who she is. Cutting her breasts off isn't going to do anything to help the situation. Making up her own definition of a man won't help either.

This is what you get when you try to push your ignorant, bigoted, reich-wing agendas. When confronted with such as you, rational people tend to push back. It's a you problem, not an us problem. Your are just a pathetic, bigoted, chuckle-fuck.