Russia and Ukraine

[Leonardo17]

Foreign Nationals are known to join Zelensky’s “Foreign Legion”. These are mainly East-European who still carry within them that hatred of Muscovites as they call them and want to make sure their nation never become a part of the Russian Empire again.  
 
Now there is said to be a “Siberian Legion” of Russians who fight with Ukrainians because they want to free their land from Putin’s puppet state.
 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-says-...21303.html

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Here is another German song that is as old as me whose main idea needs to be applied to Israel in one way or the other

[The Grand Nudger]

Units made up of russians have been doing cross border raids for awhile now. Russia, apparently, can't protect it's own borders.

[LinuxGal]

“We have information that the Russian military has been actually executing soldiers who refuse to follow orders,” U.S. National Security Council spokesman John Kirby said.

Entire units are under threat of execution if they try to retreat.

Great way for Ukraine to save ammunition

In March 2022 71% of Russians polled said that they supported the "special military operation" in Ukraine.

You always get what you vote for, good and hard.

[Thumpalumpacus]

“We have information that the Russian military has been actually executing soldiers who refuse to follow orders,” U.S. National Security Council spokesman John Kirby said.

Entire units are under threat of execution if they try to retreat.

Great way for Ukraine to save ammunition

In March 2022 71% of Russians polled said that they supported the "special military operation" in Ukraine.

You always get what you vote for, good and hard.

I wonder how accurate that number is, if you have to threaten the soldiers drafted from that same population like this.

[The Grand Nudger]

Stand and die. Whether this threat of modern day decimation is carried out that's the order. Let's be generous and say that it's not the kind of order that looks attractive when things are going well.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Stand and die.  Whether this threat of modern day decimation is carried out that's the order.  Let's be generous and say that it's not the kind of order that looks attractive when things are going well.

They've already been using penal units and backstops to prevent retreats. It shouldn't be surprising that yet another Stalinist policy is revived.

[The Grand Nudger]

Sure, and..fwiw....policies or leadership that places absolutely no value on human life - even their own, are basically short term tactical super powers in the environment. Like shamelessness in politics. The current push will (likely) satisfy a short term political goal at the expense of long term military capability.

The dead russians at the slag heap, like the dead russians at bakhmut will be (or would have been) alot more useful later in repelling the inevitable ukranian gains - but won't be around when they're needed. That's what happened down tokmaks way.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Sure, and..fwiw....policies or leadership that places absolutely no value on human life - even their own, are basically short term tactical super powers in the environment.  Like shamelessness in politics.  The current push will (likely) satisfy a short term political goal at the expense of long term military capability.

Right, soldiers eventually will not fight for a regime that throws their lives away.

[The Grand Nudger]

Oh they'll fight, but soldiers have an inalienable right to fail, as well. Not inalienable in the political sense ala "should not be taken away" but inalienable in the practical sense ala "cannot be taken away". As-in " fucking captain america said take that position but I looked behind me and didn't see a single medic - so imma slow walk this shit. Kill me - it happens even slower, so gl with that".

Smart russian -military- leadership would be effecting a rolling retreat all the way to their own borders. Making notes, not attacks. To service their kill chain but also to preserve the experience of survivors. This isn't a pie in the sky dream for the defenders but a strategic nightmare scenario. Where russia invades again, but with better intel next time.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Oh they'll fight, but soldiers have an inalienable right to fail, as well.  Not inalienable in the political sense ala "should not be taken away" but inalienable in the practical sense ala "cannot be taken away".

Look at all the surrenders in the opening months of Barbarossa, sure. "Hands Hoch!" sounds pretty good when it's an NKVD battalion at your rear.