A thing about religious (and other) people and the illusion of free will

[Thumpalumpacus]

You lumped "they" all together without distinguishing atheists from believers. i simply clarified that indistinction.

I did not. Look at the context. 
Any day now, you can stop telling me what I think and what I said. 
Asshole.

Y'know, the context is clear, even though your thinking isn't. If y'all would use the English language in a clear manner, this shit wouldn't happen.

Bottom line, Bucky: I knew you'd deny and respond angrily. You're no different than Trump in that regard. Brittle-minded, foaming at the mouth, and utterly useless.

Good day.

[The Architect Of Fate]

God much rather have spiritual beings with free will with evil, than beings with no free will and no evil.

Then he bears all responsibility for evil by that preference. But the idea that evil and free will must exist at the same time is absurd

[Ahriman]

God much rather have spiritual beings with free will with evil, than beings with no free will and no evil.

Then he bears all responsibility for evil by that preference. But the idea that evil and free will must exist at the same time is absurd

I agree with both statements. Babies are a good example of something wholly good (that is not evil at all) that has free will.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Then he bears all responsibility for evil by that preference. But the idea that evil and free will must exist at the same time is absurd

I agree with both statements. Babies are a good example of something wholly good (that is not evil at all) that has free will.

How do you know 1) that infants are ‘wholly good’ and 2) that they have free will?

Boru

[Bucky Ball]

I did not. Look at the context. 
Any day now, you can stop telling me what I think and what I said. 
Asshole.

Y'know, the context is clear, even though your thinking isn't. If y'all would use the English language in a clear manner, this shit wouldn't happen.

Bottom line, Bucky: I knew you'd deny and respond angrily. You're no different than Trump in that regard. Brittle-minded, foaming at the mouth, and utterly useless.

Good day.

Whatever you say dear, whatever you say. 
You hive such a wonderfully successful history of relationships.
The context is there, for all to see.
You still think you get to tell me what I think, just as you always have, a patronizing asshole.  
Fuck off. 
*As if* you're of any use.
Bye bye.

[Ahriman]

I agree with both statements. Babies are a good example of something wholly good (that is not evil at all) that has free will.

How do you know 1) that infants are ‘wholly good’ and 2) that they have free will?

Boru

They are not capable of any kind of moral evil, and all humans always have free will (under normal circumstances)

[Thumpalumpacus]

Whatever you say dear, whatever you say. 
You hive such a wonderfully successful history of relationships.
The context is there, for all to see.
You still think you get to tell me what I think, just as you always have, a patronizing asshole.  
Fuck off. 
*As if* you're of any use.
Bye bye.

Later, tater.



PS: You've got a bit of spittle on the left corner of your mouth.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

How do you know 1) that infants are ‘wholly good’ and 2) that they have free will?

Boru

They are not capable of any kind of moral evil, and all humans always have free will (under normal circumstances)

Being incapable of moral evil doesn’t qualify as ‘wholly good’. A turnip is also incapable of moral evil.

How do you KNOW that humans have free will?

Boru

[Ahriman]

They are not capable of any kind of moral evil, and all humans always have free will (under normal circumstances)

Being incapable of moral evil doesn’t qualify as ‘wholly good’. A turnip is also incapable of moral evil.

How do you KNOW that humans have free will?

Boru

Well it's obvious that we do, isn't it? You don't think your actions are being controlled by some microchip in your brain, do you?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Being incapable of moral evil doesn’t qualify as ‘wholly good’. A turnip is also incapable of moral evil.

How do you KNOW that humans have free will?

Boru

Well it's obvious that we do, isn't it? You don't think your actions are being controlled by some microchip in your brain, do you?

Lol, of course it’s not obvious. It’s impossible to determine if we have free will or live in a deterministic universe. Consider:

You ‘decide’ to have something particular for breakfast. How could you possibly know whether it’s a free choice or an outcome that has been pre-determined since the universe began?

In fact, it’s perfectly plausible that the widespread belief in free will is deterministic. How could you tell the difference?

Boru