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Where have all the miracles gone?
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 (December 22, 2011 at 3:48 am)Godschild Wrote: The miracle of salvation occurs every day! Science today tries to explain away many miracles, scientist say we don't know yet but, we will, science reveals all things in it's time. Yeah right. You keep praying for a miracle when you need a kidney transplant. 
Tissue typing IS extremely difficult but hey GC ..you keep praying as you die a slow tortuous death for your deity.man.
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 (December 22, 2011 at 1:52 am)whateverist Wrote:(December 22, 2011 at 1:26 am)Fleetwoodfloyd Wrote: Why is it that since the bible was completed, there have been no amazingly fantastic events and miracles like those that occur on a regular basis therein? I am not aware of a single event that comes close to a parting of the sea or fitting two of every species on a boat, being swallowed by a whale, feeding whatever that number was with a single loaf of bread, etc., etc., etc. All it would take is one undeniably divine miracle like the dozens (hundreds?) "documented" in the bible, and this forum would be history. Someone please enlighten me as to the reason for the cessation of big-time miracles. 
(December 22, 2011 at 3:48 am)Godschild Wrote: The miracle of salvation occurs every day! Science today tries to explain away many miracles, scientist say we don't know yet but, we will, science reveals all things in it's time. Yeah right. Care to quantify that? (December 22, 2011 at 5:00 am)theotherone Wrote: What about the 9,999 other people who went to the shrine looking for a cure, all of whom were more deserving of divine intervention, but received nothing? Hehehe, you just reminded me of a great post we had on the forums sometime back. A poster tallied up all the "confirmed" cures from just such a shrine, as reported by devotees of the shrine. The rate of remission in many illnesses that people visited the shrine for was decidedly higher in the overall population (who hadn't visited the shrine), leading the poster to quip that there may be something to the shrine after all; since it seemed that it was actually making people sicker by comparison.
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 (December 22, 2011 at 3:48 am)Godschild Wrote: The miracle of salvation occurs every day! Science today tries to explain away many miracles, scientist say we don't know yet but, we will, science reveals all things in it's time. Yeah right. You'll never learn anything. That's a by-product of wasting your life reading that stupid fucking bible.  (December 22, 2011 at 4:30 am)aleialoura Wrote:(December 22, 2011 at 3:48 am)Godschild Wrote: The miracle of salvation occurs every day! Science today tries to explain away many miracles, scientist say we don't know yet but, we will, science reveals all things in it's time. Yeah right. Sorry that I did not make myself clear, let's try again. Science has made great strides in medicine, I trust my doctors every time I see them. What I meant was this when someone is cured of some disease without explanation doctors say they do not understand how that person could possibly be healed, they (not all doctors) will not give credit to a miracle from God. All they might say is one day we'll figure it out, yet they have no idea what happened except the impossible.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
Right, because if we just accepted that all things that were unexplained as miracles of god, we'd know absolutely nothing. That's why doctors don't think that way. That's why I have such a huge problem with religion! If you can't explain something, and you just slap a "goddidit" on it, what you're essentially doing is saying that the real answer is unknown, so you're just going to make one up. Stupid.
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It is highly insulting when the religious give credit to god for all the thousands of years of research that made whatever medical "miracle" happen. God never had anything to do with the fact that a patient beat the odds, and it certainly didn't happen on its own. In fact, I have seen nothing in the Mosaic god's character to indicate that this being, if he were to exist, would derive any pleasure in helping one overcome a malady. Its much more likely that this character would cause the malady as punishment for lack of servitude and intend misery and death to follow.
 RE: Where have all the miracles gone?
December 22, 2011 at 4:22 pm
(This post was last modified: December 22, 2011 at 4:29 pm by Aegrus.)
(December 22, 2011 at 3:48 am)Godschild Wrote: The miracle of salvation occurs every day! Science today tries to explain away many miracles, scientist say we don't know yet but, we will, science reveals all things in it's time. Yeah right. Proof? It's important to remember that at one point, everything was unknown. There's no guarantee that scientists will eventually figure out everything, but I can see an touch the results of science, and more importantly, doctors can cure many illnesses on request. (With a bill, of course, but they are obligated to help you if you ask.) As for miraculous cures. . . they may simply be incredible coincidences. Some are of course faked internet legends, and some are exxagerated to boost ratings on T.V channels. The real ones are incredibly rare. Also, keep in mind that doctors usually give the worst case scenario in order to avoid disappointing people, so most people recover more quickly than, in the media's words, "ever believed possible." What falls away is always, and is near.
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 (December 22, 2011 at 4:30 am)aleialoura Wrote:Looks like the sudden drop of scientific achievement may be linked to Decree of Theodosius, destruction of the Serapeum in 391 The thing is Christianity dark age is not only factor responsible for sudden drop of scientific achievements. I'd love to find and read the book about the destruction of libraries caused by religion in past. |
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