Dear Atheists: what would convince you God/Christ is Real?

[Nay_Sayer]

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[no one]

Jenius Joseph

I have a pet unicorn, and dragon in my closet. I also bang wonder woman on a daily basis. What would it take for you to admit that I am right, and this is 100% actual, factual, honest, confirmed, concrete evidence?

If not, why do you hate innocent little unicorns, and misunderstood dragons. I can understand that you hate wonder woman because you are jealous that she wants me.

[zebo-the-fat]

If your god/jesus/spirit thing can perform some measurable action that can can have no possible other explanation other than "goddidit" I may be interested.

As for "becoming christian" by saying a few words over an old book, well that's just silly, if you put a gun to my head and told me that I had to believe then of course I would say "I believe!" I would even go to church and sing the silly songs if I had to... but really I wouldn't believe at all, just a way to avoid getting shot.

Now, stop spouting rubbish and provide some proof that your god is more than a myth (an old book does not count as proof)

[h4ym4n]

I know an amputee that would believe if he got his leg back

Don’t think he would worship it or not

[Angrboda]

Some say that Paul never existed. Say something as Paul to prove them wrong.

[Simon Moon]

Dear Atheist Friends, what would convince you that the Lord Jesus Christ is real?

For e.g. If He appeared in a dream or a vision to you, for e.g. Or if He worked a healing miracle in your sight. Or an airtight logical argument. Or a very convincing syllogism. Or if He helped you by His Love in a tangible way. Or something like that. 

Just trying to understand the heart of the objection toward someone as Good as Jesus Christ. Looking forward to a pleasant discussion. God Bless.

I have no idea what would convince me.

It's like asking someone in the 1200's, what would convince you that 'invisible' organisms are responsible for disease? Long before microscopes are even something they can conceptualize existing.

Appearing in a dream or vision is not even in the ballpark of being convincing. After all, Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs, etc, see their gods in dreams and visions regularly.

If a 'healing miracle' happened in my presence, I would be seriously impressed, but why would I equate it with a god? Your god specifically? How would you rule out an advanced alien race using technology way beyond our abilities?

An airtight logical argument (with demonstrably true premises), would be a good first step. But so far, none exist. Kalam, ontological, teleological, presupositional "logical" arguments are all demonstrably fallacious.

Not sure what you mean by "helped by his love"? Like getting off drugs? Quitting a life of crime? People do that kind of stuff all the time on their own. Just because some of them claim a god is responsible for it, does not mean it is true.

I have a lifelong friend and surfing buddy. In his late 20's he fell in with the wrong people, and got himself addicted to drugs and alcohol, started living on the streets here in LA, and doing petty crimes for money. One day he walked into a Hindu temple during a celebration and claims he had a vision of Krishna. His transformation after that day was dramatic, he cleaned himself up from drugs, got some menial jobs on construction sites, got himself trained. He now owns his own respected contracting company, has a great family, donates his time to help people on the street. And to this day, he is a practicing Hindu. And he attributes his turn around to the Hindu gods

So, was he helped by the love of the Hindu gods?

The heart of the objection is: lack of demonstrable, falsifiable, verifiable evidence that a god exists. Lack of valid and sound arguments that a god exists.

All I can say is, if a god exists, that truly wants me to know he exists, and would know what would convince me of his existence, he would do so.

[The Grand Nudger]

I think that your friends story demonstrates exactly how compelling or convincing dreams and visions can be. It's helpful to remember that being convinced or compelled and being right - or some belief being true or accurate, aren't the same thing. It doesn't matter whether or not your friend really had a vision of vishnu or if vishnu exists, what mattered, at least as I understand it, is that your friend was convinced and compelled by this vision regardless of it's factual status.

The real headscratcher for me in discussions like these is that it seems like the faithful feel like they're climbing mount improbable. It's just so hard to convince people of a thing,...except... it's not. Rightly or wrongly we're super easy to convince or compel. The sorts of things that could convince or compel me are the same sorts of things that convince or compel them. We're not a different species, lol. I know, I know, we get alot of bullshit about intelligent design and we can easily say "wrong again nudger, that shit doesn't convince me!". Granted - but it didn't convince them either.

For the most part, insomuch as people are religious as opposed to be culturally X - they're convinced or compelled by the force and duration of their parents convictions in the same. Yet another example of how what's accurate and what's convincing can be split apart. The likelihood of the assumption of religion (any religion) goes down as our age goes up - if it wasn't beaten in or didn't stick by early adulthood it probably wont ever become a thing. Just considering the group of people who do end up becoming genuinely religious, conversion by vision or interaction (or just visions and interactions in general) are basically unicorns. We hear alot of people mouth words that would seem to suggest such a thing - but that's almost certainly going to end up being figurative theolinguistics at work. Pretty easy to figure out, too. Internal or external? Left, right, or stereo? Male voice or female? What language? Any accent? Did the voice match the apparition in any of these relevant categories?

When you boil away the fat of how the religious have been trained to express themselves, you're going to end up with a deep and compelling experience. That's what they felt, or what they remember. If it happened to any of us, still all just people, there's a credible expectation that we would believe it implicitly as we do with pretty much everything else we feel. So...whenever we reach the point where a nut tells us that they're completely out of ideas -in so many other words-, we ought to appreciate how incompetent said nut is for failing at such an easy task.

[Mister Agenda]

Being a Christian is the easiest and happiest thing on the Earth. Indeed, that doesn't mean there are no crosses or thorns, just that there are also crowns and roses. Jesus Christ promised incomparable joy and peace of soul to those who become His Disciples and believe in Him. Some 2+ Billion Souls alive today, and perhaps around 5-10 Billion across 2000 years, can attest to the Truth of these promises.

When one believes one is going to be eternally happy, one begins to be happy already in anticipation of so great a Promise. We were always meant to live that way. It's just Atheism, and the modern "Apostles of Atheism", like Dawkins etc, who've confused us.

God Bless. Will pray for everyone here. Hope we all one day meet in Heaven having accepted Jesus Christ and having attained Salvation through Him.

Argument ad populum won't get you very far around here.

Some Christians I know are also the most miserable people I know.

You're welcome to pray for me to believe, I'll let you know if it works.

[Mister Agenda]

You're not credible.

Maybe, but I'm not asking anyone to place faith in me, am I? Nor is anyone's eternal life determined by what they think about me, but only what they think about Lord Jesus Christ. 

Lord Jesus Christ came down from Heaven, at a prearranged time, and He had foretold this through Abraham, David, Isaiah, Daniel, and other Prophets. Let me quote St. Thomas Aquinas on this.

It's a salesman's dream job. You never have to deliver the product but you can get people to buy it anyway.

[Harry Haller]

6 attributes of God:
1) God is Infinite, self-existing, without origin
2) God is Immutable, never changing
3) God is Self-sufficient, has no needs
4) God is Omnipotent, all powerful
5) God is Omniscient, all knowing
6) God is Omnipresent, everywhere
This is from a list of 15, but the first 6 sum it up.

I am none of these things and struggle to understand/conceptualize how a deity with these attributes can exist/interact with my physical world. It would seem, based on these attributes, that the deity should be able to easily convince me (especially if it created me and wanted me to have a relationship with it) of not just it's existence but also it's greatness. The fact that no one religion has anywhere close to World-Wide acceptance (Christians make up about 30% of population) seems a direct indication of his inability to live up to his billing.

I was raised Catholic - baptized, confirmed, married. I was a lector at mass. Served on various parrish committees. Was a member of the Knights of Columbus. I wanted to believe, but I could not. I could keep going through the motions, but that is just acting and not really believing. There are social rewards for conforming but there are personal rewards for living a true and honest life.

If there is a Christian God then I believe he created me to not believe in him. I am now fine with that.

Romans 9:18-21 : Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden. One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?” But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’” Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?