Atheism is a religion

[passionatefool]

Well said! Chipan believes in every god/dess that humans have ever invented by his own standards he applies to us.
Not going to heaven that way Chipan!

Lol I just don't quite understand why they must feel like they got to make Atheism a religion when it is simply not. Like Dark said "isn't and cannot be a religion"

[chi pan]

Just because it is a belief, doesnt mean it is spiritual, and doesn't mean it is a religion either.

ok then how would you catigorize this belief? it's not physical that's for sure. i believe it is a spiritual belief b/c God is spiritual and how can you have an opinion about something spiritual if it's not you don't hold any spiritual beliefs? it's like saying you don't believe in politics but you still vote.

The "belief" that there is no god or deity is the lack of spirituality

how can you dabate religion without taking a side? how can you take a side on religion without holding a religious belief?

To think or belief there is no god make it a religion, then you have a lot of religions. You are abuddha, avisnu, and so on, and all of your nonbelief in each of these deities make it a religion, so you are not a protestant, you have many religions.

no, believing in one god and not another is not the same as believing there is no god. saying athism isn't a belief is like saying 0 isn't a number. just b/c it's not possitive or negative does not mean it's not a number.

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but you do hold a good arguement passionatefool

[Modular Moog V]

Just because it is a belief, doesnt mean it is spiritual, and doesn't mean it is a religion either.

ok then how would you catigorize this belief? it's not physical that's for sure. i believe it is a spiritual belief b/c God is spiritual and how can you have an opinion about something spiritual if it's not you don't hold any spiritual beliefs? it's like saying you don't believe in politics but you still vote.

The "belief" that there is no god or deity is the lack of spirituality

how can you dabate religion without taking a side? how can you take a side on religion without holding a religious belief?

To think or belief there is no god make it a religion, then you have a lot of religions. You are abuddha, avisnu, and so on, and all of your nonbelief in each of these deities make it a religion, so you are not a protestant, you have many religions.

no, believing in one god and not another is not the same as believing there is no god. saying athism isn't a belief is like saying 0 isn't a number. just b/c it's not possitive or negative does not mean it's not a number.

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but you do hold a good arguement passionatefool

I can agree that in binary terms theism could be seen as "1" and atheism as "o".

But atheism and theism are not about numbers, they are about beliefs, and lack of belief.

[passionatefool]

Just because it is a belief, doesnt mean it is spiritual, and doesn't mean it is a religion either.

ok then how would you catigorize this belief? it's not physical that's for sure. i believe it is a spiritual belief b/c God is spiritual and how can you have an opinion about something spiritual if it's not you don't hold any spiritual beliefs? it's like saying you don't believe in politics but you still vote.

The "belief" that there is no god or deity is the lack of spirituality

how can you dabate religion without taking a side? how can you take a side on religion without holding a religious belief?

To think or belief there is no god make it a religion, then you have a lot of religions. You are abuddha, avisnu, and so on, and all of your nonbelief in each of these deities make it a religion, so you are not a protestant, you have many religions.

no, believing in one god and not another is not the same as believing there is no god. saying athism isn't a belief is like saying 0 isn't a number. just b/c it's not possitive or negative does not mean it's not a number.

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but you do hold a good arguement passionatefool

Once again, I never claimed atheism isn't a belief, however it is not a spiritual or religious belief which make it not a religion, just because it's a belief, doesn't mean it is a religion. I believe in justice, does that make it a Justicism religion? And who do i worship? Lady justice? Should i offer her slaughtered goats? However if you consider all belief (or stance on issue) to be a religion (including I believe chocolate cake tastes better than vanilla cake) then Atheisn is a religion but you got to be pretty....out there.... completely lost touch of logic and rationality to think that.

The reason why there is even an issue to debate over is that you hold spiritiual and religious belief, and atheist don't, we take the "side" of non-religion. Not having a spiritual belief is, once again, can't be spirituality itself or a religion. It's an argument fallacy. This is like you are saying being healthy, free of illness, is an illness. It makes no sense....

The "side" that atheists take is the non-religion side.

and it is the same. You don't believe in Buddha, or any other deities except one, so you have many religions if we are going to use your argument, the belief that other gods or deities doesnt exist is itself a religion. You must understand that Christianity falls under the same category and is not in anyway more special than any other religions.

But honestly I dont even think "belief" itself hardly qualify it as a religion. There are other requirement such as the the belief in the existence of some supernatural being/beings. There must be rituals and religious scriptures and so on. Atheism lacks all of it because it isnt a religion. It is very simple. I dont understand why you are even trying to make it a religion. It just doesnt work.

[chi pan]

your recycling old information. i guess we disagree but i still have a question. how would you classify athism as a belief?

[passionatefool]

your recycling old information. i guess we disagree but i still have a question. how would you classify athism as a belief?

because you are refusing to understand information since you are using argument that had already been debunked.

Atheism "can" be a belief in the non existence of supernaturals, spirituality, or anything religious-relate, and thus make it an unqualified belief to be a religion. And when I say "belief", I'm "converting" what would be considered as just simply "thinking".

In reality, atheism is just simply the lack of a belief in gods or deities. It is a stance from rational deduction/thinking. It is very tricky using these words. So it isnt even a belief, but just a stance from thinking because..that is what our brain does...it thinks...atleast for most of us, it is...and belief falls under "thinking". So it is actually more accurate in a way to say "I think god exist" (which make it a religion because you think god exist) and for atheist to say "I dont think god exist" (which make it not religion because we dont think god exist)

[TheDarkestOfAngels]

agreed atheists have no religious doctrine or beliefs morally (unless you count humanism) but how can you reject someone you don't think exists? and if you don't think he exists then that is a statement of your spiritual beliefs not science.

I'm just going to be quick to point out that atheists have their own morals. We are not without a moral center.

How can I reject someone I don't believe exists?
Huh? Your question is phrased in a confusing manner.

I reject the tenets of the christian faith because the claims made by those who hold those tenets to have not met their burdon of proof.
IE they claim in an all-knowing creator, the divinity and sacrifice of Jesus, and the truth of the bible, god, jesus, the holy spirit, and so forth but since those claims haven't been proven, then I soundly reject those claims for that reason.

As such, stating "I don't belive that god exists" is not a positive claim - it is a wholly reactionary claim to the claim that there is a god and he has a son and he died for my sins.
It's a positive statement because it is a conclusion but it is not a positive claim.

Therefore, atheism is not a belief, spiritual or otherwise.

[chi pan]

In reality, atheism is just simply the lack of a belief in gods or deities.

you can't say it's a belief and then turn around and say it's a lack of belief.

Huh? Your question is phrased in a confusing manner.

let me see if i can simplify it with an example. saying you reject God is like saying you reject Santa. unless he meant he rejects the idea that God exists.

I reject the tenets of the christian faith because the claims made by those who hold those tenets to have not met their burdon of proof.

ah, you athiests always ask for proof but when it comes down to it even if there is proof you will still reject it. even the Jews taken out of Egypt by Moses didn't believe right away and they had more physical evidence than anyone in history. they said things like "your god took us from slavery only to have us die in the desert?" and when Moses went to Mount Sinai for 40 days he came back to see them worshiping gold idols. when it comes down to it, christianity is a spiritual belief that requires faith.

As such, stating "I don't belive that god exists" is not a positive claim - it is a wholly reactionary claim to the claim that there is a god and he has a son and he died for my sins.

this is not true, this is stating that athiesm is the result of rejection of christianity. though i'm being picky right now i do understand what you're saying. you have some very good arguements and i have a lot to think about now.

[passionatefool]

In reality, atheism is just simply the lack of a belief in gods or deities.

you can't say it's a belief and then turn around and say it's a lack of belief.

You need to differentiate "belief" they arent all the same. Since I lack the belief in god, which could also mean I dont believe in God, it then can be a belief that is a lack of belief in the existence of god.....which you can sum up to say Atheism is just "simply" a lack of belief in gods or deities because anything you think of can be consider as a belief in a way. A poor example but similar is: I believe in justice, thus I lack the belief in injustice. The term you are using belief here is just brain function.

Once again, just because it is a "belief" doesnt qualify it as a religion unless it is a belief that a supernatural being exists. So this is a poor argument either way.

[Jackalope]

If by "atheism is a religion" one means that atheism is lacking all of the qualities that it would be required to have for it to be a religion, then yeah, I guess it's a religion. No fair quote mining, mind you.

Atheism is nothing but the rejection of theistic/deistic claims regarding the existence of one or more deities.

It has no dogma, no scripture, no gods, no tenets, no worship, no rituals, no faith, no spirituality, no supernaturality, no organization, and in fact takes no position on any issue at all, with the exception to the rejection of claims of deity. It's not a rejection of god, it's a rejection that of the belief gods exist. It has fuck all to do with morality, evolutionary biology, cosmology, phase of the moon, day of the week, or anything else for that matter.

On the other hand, if you want to call it a belief, call it a belief that claims of deity are bunk. That's it.

This is so fucking simple, it's mind-boggling that some don't get it.