Stupid things religious people say

[The Architect Of Fate]

Yup, which is why I call him forced birth. The idea that death is so much worse than the ultimate form of violation (the loss of autonomy) is sickness and, before I hear any gabble, the agreement to sex is never an agreement to pregnancy, regardless of the probability of it happening and women have the right to be made unpregnant and attempting to stop them is again forced birth and no any solution the women uses to resolve the pregnancy is "taking responsibility"

[arewethereyet]

It's pretty apparent that weasel boy has no idea how many pregnancies end before the woman even knows she is pregnant. Yet, there are people who want to track women's cycles and punish them if a pregnancy is ended...either intentionally or as "god's will".

My response is "Fuck that shit."

If his prostate swells up I think he should just have to deal with it...no matter the result as it's god's will.

What an ass.

[Sheldon]

If his prostate swells up I think he should just have to deal with it...

Oh I think he should be arrested for heresy, and imprisoned. How dare he murder his prostate.

[The Architect Of Fate]

This were go on that a fetus has unique DNA so I guess if we ever figure out perfect cloning those poor clones are screwed

[Sheldon]

This were go on that a fetus has unique DNA so I guess if we ever figure out perfect cloning those poor clones are screwed

Toenail clippings have unique DNA...in fact we all shed unique DNA every time we scratch our arse, or scrape dead skin off bunions, let them get all weepy about that.

[Sheldon]

It's not rhetoric, you need to look the word up, as I am dubious it means what you think it does.

Alright, let's look it up together...

Wrong word,...I've underlined and emboldened it for you, try moving your finger more slowly over the screen, see if that helps you understand your straw man here. If that's too subtle note the word dehumanise is not in my post...lets try bullet points for you...

1. The word dehumanise is redundant, since I was emphatically and explicitly rejecting your claim it is scientific that a blastocyst or zygote is a human being. 
2. My description of a zygote or blastocyst is scientifically correct, I know, ironic right?
3. If it were a "human being" it would not justify granting it the right to use another human being's body against their will, even to survive. 
4. Despite your rhetoric, this is not a right we ever grant anyone, so why would we grant it to a microscopic clump of insentient cells? Will you ever answer this I wonder? I don't really, I know from previous exchanges how dishonest you are.

[The Architect Of Fate]

This were go on that a fetus has unique DNA so I guess if we ever figure out perfect cloning those poor clones are screwed

Toenail clippings have unique DNA...in fact we all shed unique DNA every time we scratch our arse, or scrape dead skin off bunions, let them get all weepy about that.

Cancer also has unique DNA imagine if we could take cancer cells and use them to clone humans would it be wrong to kill cancer then ?

[Sheldon]

there is no greater form of "active harm" than the termination of a life.

Of course there is, but I am curious, do you feel this way about women who die needlessly in childbirth? How about all the lives "terminated" by the deity you imagine to be real? 

Theistic notions of "morality" makes me laugh sometimes, they really do.

[TheWhiteMarten]

@TheWhiteMarten

Absolutely; pre-natal care is an act that is going to require the government to take by force resources from one group of citizens and redistribute it to another group of citizens... that is to say, you are actively harming someone else without their consent to help others. 

ALL government actions require the redistribution of resources, you numbwit. It’s called ‘taxation’ and has been around for a minute.

If you want to object to your taxes helping to fund pre- and post-natal care, go right ahead and object to it. But bear in mind that your objection gives the lie to your claimed pro-child stance. You’re supporting an increase in miscarriage, sickly infants, infant death, and the death of women during childbirth.

Try thinking things through, you ignorant wretch.

Boru

Interesting you ignored the word "consent" given the topic; I'll let that slide, but can't help but notice the comedy in it. 

Yes, taxation has existed for a long time - and for a long time, humans have risen up and killed those who unjustly and nonconsensually levied them upon them. If you know your American history and why we exist as an independent nation you're gonna have some clue on just how serious that issue can get.

Non sequitur and  argumentum ad passiones; that conclusion does not remotely follow - the idea that the government is the only solution to the problem is a false dilemma relying on a appeal to emotions to try and carry it. There are systems of support that do not required armed coercion.

[TheWhiteMarten]

Now can you put together a coherent argument as to how using the phrase, "microscopic clump of insentient cells" as justification to not consider them human and then stating that their humanity is "empty rhetoric" isn't an act of denying qualities of their humanity?

Yes, it is because the phrase is factually correct, since a blastocyst or zygote, is microscopic, it is a clump of cells, and it is insentient.

Cool; so what species does that blastocyst or zygote, microbic as it is, a clump of cells without sentience, belong to?