The Official "Damned Trump" Thread: Phase II

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

The issue isn't that low IQ people or uneducated people were allowed to vote. It's that those that stand to loose the most were actively prevented from voting. Whether by people hanging around outside polling stations or mass queries as to individuals right to vote.
That is a direct attack against the people, undermining their democratic rights and setting up the overthrow of democracy.
Restricting suffrage isn't the answer, expanding and reinforcing it is.

I wasn't being serious when I said that about voting power equivalent to IQs, that's why I added "but seriously get rid of the electoral collage" but YES! Trump is literally a fascist who forcefully tried to change the result of an election by overthrowing the government! This is a direct attack on our democracy and one of many! Why don't people get that? Why am I the one getting shit for calling Trumpism the fascist cancer that it is on an atheist site on a thread titled The Official Damned Trump thread?! This is a huge fucking deal! I've never been more scared for our democracy!

You’re not getting shit for calling Trump a fascist. You’re getting shit for…other reasons. A Mensa guy should be able to figure that out.

But since you’ve said that democracy doesn’t work, I ask again - what would you replace democracy with?

Boru

[Rizen]

I wasn't being serious when I said that about voting power equivalent to IQs, that's why I added "but seriously get rid of the electoral collage" but YES! Trump is literally a fascist who forcefully tried to change the result of an election by overthrowing the government! This is a direct attack on our democracy and one of many! Why don't people get that? Why am I the one getting shit for calling Trumpism the fascist cancer that it is on an atheist site on a thread titled The Official Damned Trump thread?! This is a huge fucking deal! I've never been more scared for our democracy!

You’re not getting shit for calling Trump a fascist. You’re getting shit for…other reasons. A Mensa guy should be able to figure that out.

But since you’ve said that democracy doesn’t work, I ask again - what would you replace democracy with?

Boru

I already said this but, realistically, get rid of the electoral college. Republicans have been playing it for years. I realize Trump won the popular vote in 2024 but it's more often than not favored Republicans. Every vote should count equally. Limit supreme court terms. This has been an outrageous clusterfuck. Both these systems are terrible and outdated. 

I'm serious about what I said about education. College educated people lean strongly democratic. Democrats are an objectively better party. It's become a bigger divide than ever. That's why this culture of anti-intellectualism pisses me off so much! People shouldn't have to decide between a college education and massive debt. College educations should be available to everyone. If you take nothing else away from this post take this. Republicans realize this. Republicans are actively trying to keep people uneducated. Republicans are actively forcing Christianity in schools. Above all else people need to be taught the scientific method. People need to learn critical thinking. We really are back in the fucking dark ages. To quote Isaac Asimov:

“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”

We're at the point where Trump can say any damn thing he wants and people believe it. This is why Republicans have an advantage. Democrats are always arguing an inconvenient truth against Republican's fear mongering. 

So when I say "democracy doesn't work" I really mean "as is". We need not only fundamental changes in the core mechanics of the government but also the mindset of society. 

And fuck anyone who doesn't take this seriously! Have people not been keeping up with the supreme court? They gave Trump a get out of jail free card for anything as long as he's president! We have a man who forcefully tried to overthrow the results of an election now in control of the government with Republicans controlling the house and senate! We have a convicted rapist and felon for president. We're in an extremely sick society. What about the environment? What about the Ukraine? Hell, what about Democracy here? When Trump tells Christian voters "you won't have to vote anymore" if he's elected, and he was, that should concern you. How dare you call me a snowflake for being informed! How dare you call me a snowflake for actively making the world a better place. The bottom line is you just can't make people care. 

[The Grand Nudger]

Trump didn't win shit. Voter suppression did.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

You’re not getting shit for calling Trump a fascist. You’re getting shit for…other reasons. A Mensa guy should be able to figure that out.

But since you’ve said that democracy doesn’t work, I ask again - what would you replace democracy with?

Boru

I already said this but, realistically, get rid of the electoral college. Republicans have been playing it for years. I realize Trump won the popular vote in 2024 but it's more often than not favored Republicans. Every vote should count equally. Limit supreme court terms. This has been an outrageous clusterfuck. Both these systems are terrible and outdated. 

I'm serious about what I said about education. College educated people lean strongly democratic. Democrats are an objectively better party. It's become a bigger divide than ever. That's why this culture of anti-intellectualism pisses me off so much! People shouldn't have to decide between a college education and massive debt. College educations should be available to everyone. If you take nothing else away from this post take this. Republicans realize this. Republicans are actively trying to keep people uneducated. Republicans are actively forcing Christianity in schools. Above all else people need to be taught the scientific method. People need to learn critical thinking. We really are back in the fucking dark ages. To quote Isaac Asimov:

“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”

We're at the point where Trump can say any damn thing he wants and people believe it. This is why Republicans have an advantage. Democrats are always arguing an inconvenient truth against Republican's fear mongering. 

So when I say "democracy doesn't work" I really mean "as is". We need not only fundamental changes in the core mechanics of the government but also the mindset of society. 

And fuck anyone who doesn't take this seriously! Have people not been keeping up with the supreme court? They gave Trump a get out of jail free card for anything as long as he's president! We have a man who forcefully tried to overthrow the results of an election now in control of the government with Republicans controlling the house and senate! We have a convicted rapist and felon for president. We're in an extremely sick society. What about the environment? What about the Ukraine? Hell, what about Democracy here? When Trump tells Christian voters "you won't have to vote anymore" if he's elected, and he was, that should concern you. How dare you call me a snowflake for being informed! How dare you call me a snowflake for actively making the world a better place. The bottom line is you just can't make people care. 

But if you get rid of the electoral college, you’ll STILL have a democracy, which you’ve said doesn’t work.

I’m not asking how you would fix or modify democracy, but for you to name a form of government with which you would replace democracy.

If you meant to say ‘democracy doesn’t work as is’, why didn’t you?

I never called you a snowflake.

Boru

[Rizen]

I already said this but, realistically, get rid of the electoral college. Republicans have been playing it for years. I realize Trump won the popular vote in 2024 but it's more often than not favored Republicans. Every vote should count equally. Limit supreme court terms. This has been an outrageous clusterfuck. Both these systems are terrible and outdated. 

I'm serious about what I said about education. College educated people lean strongly democratic. Democrats are an objectively better party. It's become a bigger divide than ever. That's why this culture of anti-intellectualism pisses me off so much! People shouldn't have to decide between a college education and massive debt. College educations should be available to everyone. If you take nothing else away from this post take this. Republicans realize this. Republicans are actively trying to keep people uneducated. Republicans are actively forcing Christianity in schools. Above all else people need to be taught the scientific method. People need to learn critical thinking. We really are back in the fucking dark ages. To quote Isaac Asimov:

“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”

We're at the point where Trump can say any damn thing he wants and people believe it. This is why Republicans have an advantage. Democrats are always arguing an inconvenient truth against Republican's fear mongering. 

So when I say "democracy doesn't work" I really mean "as is". We need not only fundamental changes in the core mechanics of the government but also the mindset of society. 

And fuck anyone who doesn't take this seriously! Have people not been keeping up with the supreme court? They gave Trump a get out of jail free card for anything as long as he's president! We have a man who forcefully tried to overthrow the results of an election now in control of the government with Republicans controlling the house and senate! We have a convicted rapist and felon for president. We're in an extremely sick society. What about the environment? What about the Ukraine? Hell, what about Democracy here? When Trump tells Christian voters "you won't have to vote anymore" if he's elected, and he was, that should concern you. How dare you call me a snowflake for being informed! How dare you call me a snowflake for actively making the world a better place. The bottom line is you just can't make people care. 

But if you get rid of the electoral college, you’ll STILL have a democracy, which you’ve said doesn’t work.

I’m not asking how you would fix or modify democracy, but for you to name a form of government with which you would replace democracy.

If you meant to say ‘democracy doesn’t work as is’, why didn’t you?

Boru

My answer was solid gold; what do you want from me? Fine. I don't find this realistic but how about a series of councils of learned citizens elected by their peers? A council for agriculture, infrastructure, engineering, etc. They'd all be elected to each council by academics in their fields and the councils would control their specialized areas. Of course you'd have to have some sort of budgeting council perhaps elected from previous members of each of the main councils and one for diplomacy as well. There would have to be a judicial system of checks and balances where the councils could vote to impeach members of the governing councils. Yes it would be imperfect but wouldn't this be better than the circus of nepotism and popularity stunts that defines our current democracy? This is how an advanced society of aliens works in a book I've written.

[arewethereyet]

But if you get rid of the electoral college, you’ll STILL have a democracy, which you’ve said doesn’t work.

I’m not asking how you would fix or modify democracy, but for you to name a form of government with which you would replace democracy.

If you meant to say ‘democracy doesn’t work as is’, why didn’t you?

Boru

My answer was solid gold; what do you want from me? Fine. I don't find this realistic but how about a series of councils of learned citizens elected by their peers? A council for agriculture, infrastructure, engineering, etc. They'd all be elected to each council by academics in their fields and the councils would control their specialized areas. Of course you'd have to have some sort of budgeting council perhaps elected from previous members of each of the main councils and one for diplomacy as well. There would have to be a judicial system of checks and balances where the councils could vote to impeach members of the governing councils. Yes it would be imperfect but wouldn't this be better than the circus of nepotism and popularity stunts that defines our current democracy? This is how an advanced society of aliens works in a book I've written.

The government, as well as elections, is supposed to represent the people, all the people.  Not the academic MENSA snobs only.

Is that too difficult to grasp?

[Angrboda]

The MAGA on X are wetting their pants over the idea that Barack Obama might go to jail. Stupid people.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

But if you get rid of the electoral college, you’ll STILL have a democracy, which you’ve said doesn’t work.

I’m not asking how you would fix or modify democracy, but for you to name a form of government with which you would replace democracy.

If you meant to say ‘democracy doesn’t work as is’, why didn’t you?

Boru

My answer was solid gold; what do you want from me? Fine. I don't find this realistic but how about a series of councils of learned citizens elected by their peers? A council for agriculture, infrastructure, engineering, etc. They'd all be elected to each council by academics in their fields and the councils would control their specialized areas. Of course you'd have to have some sort of budgeting council perhaps elected from previous members of each of the main councils and one for diplomacy as well. There would have to be a judicial system of checks and balances where the councils could vote to impeach members of the governing councils. Yes it would be imperfect but wouldn't this be better than the circus of nepotism and popularity stunts that defines our current democracy? This is how an advanced society of aliens works in a book I've written.

Why suggest it if it’s unrealistic?

How would your councils deal with armed revolution? I ask because what you’re describing sounds like some sort of benevolent oligarchy. The trouble with those is that they never stay benevolent.

Boru

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

The MAGA on X are wetting their pants over the idea that Barack Obama might go to jail.  Stupid people.

Well, Dear Leader said, ‘TREASON!!’ and he’s never wrong.

Boru

[Rizen]

My answer was solid gold; what do you want from me? Fine. I don't find this realistic but how about a series of councils of learned citizens elected by their peers? A council for agriculture, infrastructure, engineering, etc. They'd all be elected to each council by academics in their fields and the councils would control their specialized areas. Of course you'd have to have some sort of budgeting council perhaps elected from previous members of each of the main councils and one for diplomacy as well. There would have to be a judicial system of checks and balances where the councils could vote to impeach members of the governing councils. Yes it would be imperfect but wouldn't this be better than the circus of nepotism and popularity stunts that defines our current democracy? This is how an advanced society of aliens works in a book I've written.

Why suggest it if it’s unrealistic?

How would your councils deal with armed revolution? I ask because what you’re describing sounds like some sort of benevolent oligarchy. The trouble with those is that they never stay benevolent.

Boru

To be fair, a governing body of literal dogs would be better than Republicans. It would be better than what we have but the people would never go for it.

I imagine the law enforcement council would deal with them. There of course would have to be a judicial system involving trials. That's a tricky one. I imagine they'd have a jury system like our own.