People Behave Socially and 'Well' Even Without Rules

[Autumnlicious]

Then anarchy is:

A) unable to defend itself against malicious state actors and
B) useless for dealing with larger-than-individual actors

"actors" huh... Like I said before, it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure this out. When the workers rise up and form an anarchy, they are giving a very clear message to every single government in the world that "we do not need your politicians, your kings, your religious leaders, your wealthy land owners, your bosses, or your monetary system"

And through what powers of communication will the much vaunted workers of the world use to synchronize together and act? Telepathy?

And how do you know that any action would ever be taken with the entire blithering hivemind? Governments are already aimless and inefficient while still being composed of a selected few -- I don't see anything endemic to your scenario that solves or sidesteps that problem.

Which makes every single government in the world its instant enemy. Of course those governments do NOT want to make friendly relationships with an anarcho-community. They will do their utmost to knock them down in a concerted effort so they can say "see, you need rich and poor and politician and king and greedy land owners in order to survive."

That's right, and if anything bad ever happens, it's the government's fault for colluding behind your back to make you fail.

Yep, paranoia check.

So the spanish revolution wasnt "real world examples" because they "are buried under soviet tanks"?
If you are going to move the goal posts back further and further..you might as well just tell me that I am unable to score in this discussion.

It's not fucking moving goal posts if the example you refer to lasted such a piteously short time that making real comparative analysis of government structures to it to be erroneous and insignificant.

Why don't you put forth a real functioning and competitive society, anywhere, that is not squashed simply into oblivion and never appears again? If this is such a wonderful system, then people would attempt again and again at it, right?

Freetown Christiania might be an example (not a very good one I'm afraid) to use. We could take a gander at that...

I'd let a thousand flowers bloom, if you could point to some actual flowers under the revolutionary bullshit.

[reverendjeremiah]

And through what powers of communication will the much vaunted workers of the world use to synchronize together and act? Telepathy?

Yet more proof that you havent done a lick of homework. the trade unions will be the biggest voice.

Of course we are against telephones, the net, etc...we prefer tin cans with strings attached to them.

And how do you know that any action would ever be taken with the entire blithering hivemind?

Hive mind? Yeah, thats right. I am opposed to anyone thinking for themselves. Thats why I am an anarchist, because i want everyone to think and do exactly how I want them to.

Governments are already aimless and inefficient while still being composed of a selected few -- I don't see anything endemic to your scenario that solves or sidesteps that problem.

Except for the...you know...ALL the times I posted that government is useless. I supose I should pat you on the back, it seems you are finally catching on. Its not like I have posted countless times that govt is unnecessary, and a best way to get rid of it is to flat out get rid of it. There are no scenereos writen in stone, nor are there any gradual steps to it. When the people realize that govt does more harm than good, they will rise up and give it the boot, just like in Spain..

...oops, sorry, Im not allowed to use Spain as an example for you.

Exactly what examples am I allowed to use again in our conversations?

That's right, and if anything bad ever happens, it's the government's fault for colluding behind your back to make you fail.

Yep, paranoia check.

Its not my fault you have done ZERO homework on this topic. If you did even a small amount of history research you would understand what I was talking about.

It's not fucking moving goal posts if the example you refer to lasted such a piteously short time that making real comparative analysis of government structures to it to be erroneous and insignificant.

Then drop the subject. Im not holding your arm behind your back, nor am I placing unrealistic requirements upon your posting. IN FACT, every single discussion we have had on this topic has had YOU calling the shots, calling the parameters, and being on the offense, where as I have merely tried to work with everything you have posted.

Yet you are still unhappy. Never once have i said you should be an anarchist. You, on the other hand, have rained down on top of me with great furry, ad hom attacks, etc..etc...yet I still am calm with you.

And you are supposed to be the mod.

I'd let a thousand flowers bloom, if you could point to some actual flowers under the revolutionary bullshit.

Your posting history suggests otherwise.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HffKdrLz1k
I now prepare for all of your insults and reasons why this video will not be allowed into the discussion...go ahead...move the goal posts back even more, or change the parameters. I have grown used to it. In fact most of the times I answer your posts is not to answer YOU, but to allow other people to see my answers, because I know my answers to you fall on deaf ears.

[Autumnlicious]

[reverendjeremiah]

What the hell is that picture supposed to mean?

[Whateverist]

Warning: this post contains no argument, only the offhand response of the author.

The cow video shows a bunch of people living an alternative lifestyle and making that look pretty good. It certainly doesn't look like a viable political entity to me. It isn't the sort of thing that can replace a national or state government. But it is a lifestyle which could exist within a larger political unit. I'm sure they don't live apart from the laws of the political entity of which they are a part and I'm sure they are subject to them. Surely you don't suggest this living arrangement is scalable to the extent that would allow it to survive independently amongst political entities of other persuasions?

Also, what the hell is the meaning of that photo?

[frankiej]

I think the question is what doesn't that picture mean?

[reverendjeremiah]

The cow video shows a bunch of people living an alternative lifestyle and making that look pretty good. It certainly doesn't look like a viable political entity to me.

And you are absolutely correct other than the "alternative" remark. It is merely a life style. An YES, anarchy is the ABSENCE of a state...I dont think I can say this enough as many people replying on this topic cant seem to grasp the concept that anarchy is stateless. ANARCHY HAS NO STATE. And just like any other governing model, it can be the size of a small neighborhood up to and including the entire universe.

If you are expecting to see an "official" anarchy state, you will not see it. You may as well ask me to show you a cup of dry water.

It isn't the sort of thing that can replace a national or state government.

And you are 100% correct. Anarchy isnt something that "replaces" a national or state government. It is the ABSENCE of nationality, state, and government.

But it is a lifestyle which could exist within a larger political unit.

Wrong... your inability to see beyond a political system does not mean that it cannot be successful. You may as well suggest that god exists because you dont understand why the tide rolls in and the tide rolls out. It can exist within and without an other official state.

I'm sure they don't live apart from the laws of the political entity of which they are a part and I'm sure they are subject to them.

I have only quoted like a hundred times that anarchy is opposed by every political system around it. their neighbors will do what it takes to force the commune to follow their rules. If stalinists lived on one side of this commune, and capitalists on the other, then BOTH would be constantly trying to get rid of the commune, or force it to comply with THEIR particular state government or suffer the consequences.

Surely you don't suggest this living arrangement is scalable to the extent that would allow it to survive independently amongst political entities of other persuasions?

Surely you are not suggesting that any OTHER government model could exist on such a large scale either, do you? How long do you think capitalists and non capitalists can survive living side by side in peace? nope, all it does is bring about even more warfare.

How can democracy exist when it reaches a large percentage of population? How can people honestly say that a single elected congressman represents MILLIONS of people. They cant, and it DOESNT work. They only fool you into thinking otherwise. At least in a cooperative commune everyone has a say so in their local community. That is why anarchy is DECENTRALIZED...do some homework and you will understand.

I still dont know what the pic means either.

Apparently to moros, I have to show him something larger than he expects. Of course he never have me any properties to use in my search. I could show him the hundred of spontaneous communities that popped up in russia, many of them of extremely large sizes, but he would merely find some other way to push the goal post back even more.

[Faith No More]

What the hell is that picture supposed to mean?

My unqualified guess is sarcasstic contempt.

[reverendjeremiah]

What the hell is that picture supposed to mean?

My unqualified guess is sarcasstic contempt.

I know pics like that are popular on 4-chan, but I rarely go there. Im sure its a sarcasm thing, but you know 4-chan...these pics have a very specific meaning.



4-chan troll

[Faith No More]

I did say I was unqualified.