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RE: Islam true religion?
February 1, 2012 at 12:06 am
(February 1, 2012 at 12:02 am)Zakir_250 Wrote: William Lane Craig is respected. Why do you think many Theists reference his work?
Because they're so desperate to have their delusions reinforced they'll latch on to anyone with a glib tongue and a suit? Am I getting warm?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Islam true religion?
February 1, 2012 at 12:09 am
(February 1, 2012 at 12:06 am)Stimbo Wrote: (February 1, 2012 at 12:02 am)Zakir_250 Wrote: William Lane Craig is respected. Why do you think many Theists reference his work?
Because they're so desperate to have their delusions reinforced they'll latch on to anyone with a glib tongue and a suit? Am I getting warm? In that case, atheists also quote from Dawkins for same reasons you mentioned.
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RE: Islam true religion?
February 1, 2012 at 12:19 am
So do all Muslims follow the same guidebook for losing debates? Did you ever speak to Rayaan? If not you really need to.
"In our youth, we lacked the maturity, the decency to create gods better than ourselves so that we might have something to aspire to. Instead we are left with a host of deities who were violent, narcissistic, vengeful bullies who reflected our own values. Our gods could have been anything we could imagine, and all we were capable of manifesting were gods who shared the worst of our natures."-Me
"Atheism leaves a man to sense, to philosophy, to natural piety, to laws, to reputation; all of which may be guides to an outward moral virtue, even if religion vanished; but religious superstition dismounts all these and erects an absolute monarchy in the minds of men." – Francis Bacon
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RE: Islam true religion?
February 1, 2012 at 12:22 am
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(February 1, 2012 at 12:02 am)Zakir_250 Wrote: Also, Willaim Lane Craig is a respected apologist.
William Lane Craig is a charlatan who's been exposed like any religious figure that's debated Dawkins or Hitch.
(February 1, 2012 at 12:02 am)Zakir_250 Wrote: Okay, firstly we share NO similaries with Christians.
You've already lost if you don't know the Quran came from the Old Testament.
(February 1, 2012 at 12:02 am)Zakir_250 Wrote: They have a illogical belief that says 1 add 1 add 1 is 3.
And you think somebody saw the moon split, even though the moon splitting would destroy life on this planet. It wouldnt be able to be put back together and a lot of life would die. You're using the special pleading fallacy and using bias not looking at the holes in your own religion. Another example is that you think that salt water and fresh water dont mix, complete scientific failure.
(February 1, 2012 at 12:02 am)Zakir_250 Wrote: Our views of Jesus (Peace be upon him) is historically reliable and rational.
You just said that Christians are illogical and then go on to say that Jesus is an accurate depiction in history...How is it rational when you think islam is the only true religion, because you may or may have not realized it before I told you a few paragraphs up. But the Quran comes from the Old Testament, its in the same religious family of abrahamic religions.
(February 1, 2012 at 12:02 am)Zakir_250 Wrote: Who cares if they come centuries later? Atleast their authentic and they have biographies of the writers unlike the gospels who are written by unknown men who never ate, slept or met Jesus (Peace be upon him).
You're completely vapid if you think the bible is an authentic biography haha it was written by people who werent even contemporaries, can your head even wrap around that concept? It was written by people hundreds of years later who stole different components from other religions, inlcuding a lot of their mythology from sumerians, egpytians, babylonians and other pagan religions like Christianity was, which have the same bullshit stories as the more modern mythologies of the bronze and dark ages.
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RE: Islam true religion?
February 1, 2012 at 12:25 am
(February 1, 2012 at 12:19 am)SleepingDemon Wrote: So do all Muslims follow the same guidebook for losing debates? Did you ever speak to Rayaan? If not you really need to. Not yet. I honestly can't see what I'm doing wrong. All I'm doing is providing information for you lot to read and you are all attacking me by insulting my religion.
I win this debate. Why? because It's me vs the rest of athiests which makes it unfair to me. I'm also getting insulted for no reason. So in short, I win via my oppositions going off topic by throwing insults at me and my religion.
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RE: Islam true religion?
February 1, 2012 at 12:29 am
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Boo hoo nobody agrees with you or your bullshit so you're winning by default because you're the underdog, grow up. Go preach somewhere else. We actually give a shit about these things called facts that's demonsterable to reality. You have a bunch of anecdotes and random links from unrealiable people, what did you expect a bunch of agreement? Get over yourself and your pathetic selfish attitude.
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RE: Islam true religion?
February 1, 2012 at 12:35 am
(February 1, 2012 at 12:29 am)Hitchslap Wrote: Boo hoo nobody agrees with you or your bullshit so you're winning by default because you're the underdog, grow up. Go preach somewhere else. We actually give a shit about these things called facts that's demonsterable to reality. You have a bunch of anecdotes and random links from unrealiable people, what did you expect a bunch of agreement? Get over yourself and your pathetic selfish attitude. You have proven my point. Once again, I'm being insulted. I'm not preaching by the way.
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RE: Islam true religion?
February 1, 2012 at 12:40 am
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(February 1, 2012 at 12:09 am)Zakir_250 Wrote: (February 1, 2012 at 12:06 am)Stimbo Wrote: (February 1, 2012 at 12:02 am)Zakir_250 Wrote: William Lane Craig is respected. Why do you think many Theists reference his work?
Because they're so desperate to have their delusions reinforced they'll latch on to anyone with a glib tongue and a suit? Am I getting warm? In that case, atheists also quote from Dawkins for same reasons you mentioned.
Except that Professor Dawkins (yes, he actually has scientific credentials) actually is a respected writer and speaker. Respect isn't something that comes automatically from standing at a lectern, nor is it gauged by how many people cite a person as a reference. It is earned, in this case by actually adding to the body of human knowledge through peer-reviewed literature and the like. Prof Dawkins has earned something else besides respect: credibility, which gives him the leeway to explore the subject of religion in his own methodical way. Atheists don't, as a rule, treat his every utterance as divine prophecy or holy writ carved in stone, forever unchangeable.
WLC, as has already been pointed out to you, is a proven liar and a known fool. Putting your faith in him is exactly what parables such as 'building your house on sand' were written about.
And if 'winning' a debate on an atheist forum, even one as august as this, is so gut-wrenchingly important to you, then I am truly sad for you.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Islam true religion?
February 1, 2012 at 12:41 am
Debates don't work like that. Everyone has refuted your points, then your rebuttal is reiterating those same points. People are insulting you because they want you to become emotional, and because Islam is funny.
There are dozens of reasons we know the Moon did not and could not have split. Real reasons, not the testimony of one person for this reason. There was no television, no facebook, no Internet, most people couldn't read, so human beings spent a lot of time staring at the sky. Let's day for the sake of argument that there were only 10 million people on this planet at the time. It would take a large percentage of that population, people in different countries with different beliefs claiming to have seen the same thing. That is evidence, and we have such evidence for supernova and other celestial happenings throughout history. We have that testimony by people who never met, didn't attend the same church or worship the same gods.
You fail in this debate because all you have done this far is copy and paste others arguments ad nauseum and some special pleading. You have completely ignored half of the actual responses to your arguments. You have a lot to learn if you plan on staying here
"In our youth, we lacked the maturity, the decency to create gods better than ourselves so that we might have something to aspire to. Instead we are left with a host of deities who were violent, narcissistic, vengeful bullies who reflected our own values. Our gods could have been anything we could imagine, and all we were capable of manifesting were gods who shared the worst of our natures."-Me
"Atheism leaves a man to sense, to philosophy, to natural piety, to laws, to reputation; all of which may be guides to an outward moral virtue, even if religion vanished; but religious superstition dismounts all these and erects an absolute monarchy in the minds of men." – Francis Bacon
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RE: Islam true religion?
February 1, 2012 at 12:43 am
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(February 1, 2012 at 12:35 am)Zakir_250 Wrote: You have proven my point. Once again, I'm being insulted. I'm not preaching by the way.
Why does your religion get more respect than you do? way to dehumanize yourself and go ahead keep using that selective reading and ignore counter-arguments. Why are you even here if you're not willing to listen and actually discuss the points we've brought up, its like we are literally talking to a wall. It's hopeless for you to even continue posting if you aren't willing to compemplate that you might be wrong as our uncultured primitive ancestors who thought the Earth was flat and that Demons caused sickness from sin thought... As I said, go preach elsewhere, we care about the truth.
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