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RE: There Has Been A Serious Infestation of Jesus Freaks
March 20, 2012 at 11:01 am
(March 20, 2012 at 10:44 am)Insanity x Wrote: As long as its discussion and not: "GODDIDIT GODDIDIT. NANANANNANAAAA"
You sound like you're channeling StatlerWaldorf, a great Christian thinker that I've always admired. I mean, how can I top his great apologetics like you-don't-know-everything-therefore-Jesus? Where is he? I've seen his old posts but nothing in recent history.
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RE: There Has Been A Serious Infestation of Jesus Freaks
March 20, 2012 at 11:27 am
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(March 20, 2012 at 10:43 am)FallentoReason Wrote: Am I the only one that feels like having proper discussions with them? Maybe I haven't had much experience talking to theists but me being on the side of atheism for once, but I find it interesting to hear their reasoning.
Its not just you. I've always considered myself atheist from a young age. It was only quite recently that I reexamined what I believed, and really wanted to put them to the test.
When theists call atheism a belief, that is very much me at a younger age. I wasn't even aware of the actual science and evidence for things, I just felt that things made less sense if you threw God into the mix and I believed that there was no God. That was it more or less.
In many respects I "reconverted", I found myself reading the theistic arguments rather than the non-theistic interpretation, and considering them for myself without going through the medium of someone who already agreed with me.
Intelligent theists really do put up an apparently very solid apologetic argument for God. They are rare, but do exist. Much like atheists, there are many, I realise, if I WERE to believe in God, even I could run rings around some of them in a debate.
I don't want to be that type of atheist anymore. For psychological reasons I cannot put my finger on, I have developed a need to ensure I cannot be "fooled" by the persuasive arguments that rely on ignorance to work.
I constantly seek to challenge what I "Know" but only "Know" based on my personal conviction it is the case.
That may change in time, many people on this forum are very evidently jaded by hearing the same stupid argument a thousand times.. and who can blame them.
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RE: There Has Been A Serious Infestation of Jesus Freaks
March 20, 2012 at 11:41 am
NoMoreFaith Wrote:Intelligent theists really do put up an apparently very solid apologetic argument for God. They are rare, but do exist. Much like atheists, there are many, I realise, if I WERE to believe in God, even I could run rings around some of them in a debate.I don't want to be that type of atheist anymore. For psychological reasons I cannot put my finger on, I have developed a need to ensure I cannot be "fooled" by the persuasive arguments that rely on ignorance to work.
I wish I could meet someone with good arguments. I think the most they could ever do is defend Deism though. The religions out there just don't work.
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RE: There Has Been A Serious Infestation of Jesus Freaks
March 20, 2012 at 11:46 am
(March 20, 2012 at 11:41 am)FallentoReason Wrote: I wish I could meet someone with good arguments. I think the most they could ever do is defend Deism though. The religions out there just don't work.
The strongest arguments are almost exclusively from those who ditch the need for a holy text. It avoids the problems it causes, and if I were more unkind, allows them to make up whatever they like and call it "metaphysical".
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RE: There Has Been A Serious Infestation of Jesus Freaks
March 20, 2012 at 4:39 pm
(March 20, 2012 at 11:41 am)FallentoReason Wrote: NoMoreFaith Wrote:Intelligent theists really do put up an apparently very solid apologetic argument for God. They are rare, but do exist. Much like atheists, there are many, I realise, if I WERE to believe in God, even I could run rings around some of them in a debate.I don't want to be that type of atheist anymore. For psychological reasons I cannot put my finger on, I have developed a need to ensure I cannot be "fooled" by the persuasive arguments that rely on ignorance to work.
I wish I could meet someone with good arguments. I think the most they could ever do is defend Deism though. The religions out there just don't work.
Deism is harder to defend than theism though - at least theism has books to refer to.
You are currently experiencing a lucky and very brief window of awareness, sandwiched in between two periods of timeless and utter nothingness. So why not make the most of it, and stop wasting your life away trying to convince other people that there is something else? The reality is obvious.
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RE: There Has Been A Serious Infestation of Jesus Freaks
March 20, 2012 at 5:18 pm
I've often thought that deists are just atheists who are afraid to admit that they are indeed atheists and just hang onto the god belief because of societal pressures. I mean really, what's the difference between a god which never answers prayers and never interferes with the workings of the universe, and a god which doesn't exist? Not much in my opinion.
Christian apologetics is the art of rolling a dog turd in sugar and selling it as a donut.
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RE: There Has Been A Serious Infestation of Jesus Freaks
March 20, 2012 at 5:24 pm
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(March 17, 2012 at 8:14 pm)aleialoura Wrote: I think we should just start agreeing with them in a very poe-like fashion. Might be fun.
That might be fun.
(March 17, 2012 at 8:29 pm)Stimbo Wrote: You missed a trick though, Min. You could have said "Let us spray".
What about "let us spay" ?
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RE: There Has Been A Serious Infestation of Jesus Freaks
March 20, 2012 at 5:31 pm
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Quote:but I find it interesting to hear their reasoning.
You think they have "reasoning?"
Goddidit is not reasoning. Virtually everything they say comes down to that or "the bible says."
You can train a parakeet to say "the bible says."
(March 20, 2012 at 11:01 am)YahwehIsTheWay Wrote: (March 20, 2012 at 10:44 am)Insanity x Wrote: As long as its discussion and not: "GODDIDIT GODDIDIT. NANANANNANAAAA"
You sound like you're channeling StatlerWaldorf, a great Christian thinker that I've always admired. I mean, how can I top his great apologetics like you-don't-know-everything-therefore-Jesus? Where is he? I've seen his old posts but nothing in recent history.
I heard that jesus sent him a message.
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Guess he got to be even too big an asswipe for the prince of peace.
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RE: There Has Been A Serious Infestation of Jesus Freaks
March 20, 2012 at 5:38 pm
(March 20, 2012 at 11:01 am)YahwehIsTheWay Wrote: (March 20, 2012 at 10:44 am)Insanity x Wrote: As long as its discussion and not: "GODDIDIT GODDIDIT. NANANANNANAAAA"
You sound like you're channeling StatlerWaldorf, a great Christian thinker that I've always admired. I mean, how can I top his great apologetics like you-don't-know-everything-therefore-Jesus? Where is he? I've seen his old posts but nothing in recent history.
He'll be about, patience youngling.
He normally does stints on here, gets owned (this time by orogenicman) then comes back. He's a nice person though, if a little insane.
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RE: There Has Been A Serious Infestation of Jesus Freaks
March 20, 2012 at 8:23 pm
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Quote:He'll be about, patience youngling.
He normally does stints on here, gets owned (this time by orogenicman) then comes back. He's a nice person though, if a little insane.
You can be sure I'll express my admiration for him when he does return.
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