Is purposeless torture moral?

[The Grand Nudger]

I'm actually quite fond of the idea of being "separated from god" for all eternity. I truly am. Under normal circumstances I would definitely not be the kind of person who would choose to torture myself. However, if the price of entry into this god free zone is torture, and your god is as massive a douche as you make him out to be, well......all of a sudden it becomes a price worth entertaining, to say the least.

Now, before you complain that I just don't understand, let me say that you may be right. If you are though, then perhaps something should be done about that? It isn't a lack of explanations or understanding that gives me such a strong distaste for your god, it is the well-spring of absolutely disgusting explanations and understanding that have brought me here. The apologetics you present GC, out of all of the amatuer apologists we have here, are the least satisfying. You make statements like "I could not say 100%" and then go on to make truth claims and statements of knowledge nevertheless. As you are pressed the picture of your deity becomes increasingly negative. If you describe a disgusting deity, then what else should we call it? Has the thought ever occurred to you that the faithful might be shitting all over god's good name, yourself included?

[TheJackel]

The way I see hell, we are totally responsible for our fate, getting there and spending eternity there.

Great, so I can create my own heaven and tell your GOD to piss off. Maybe even create a heaven sharing social network where other Atheists ect can visit one another's heavens.. Sounds like a good time to me.

God use fire as a way to explain that hell is the most terrible place one could spend eternity, there is no way that man could understand hell as being the absents of all love, and the misery that no love brings.

No, your GOD is a Volcano...Get over it already and accept the facts. In fact, your bible makes a pretty good argument for your worshiping of what we could call Satan. He murders, commits genocide, commits infanticide, burns people to death, loves the smell of burning flesh, likes sacrifices, is extremely Narcissistic, Ego centric, a jealous god, appears as a devouring fire, and demands you to worship it or burn... Even your said Jesus exclaims exactly that point:

* Revelation 20:10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet [are.] And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Matthew 25:41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
"In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:" -2nd Thessalonians 1:8

* Thessalonians 1:7-9 The Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power

And the biggest clue that this GOD of yours is a Volcanic Satan comes from the words of your own supposed Jesus:

MATTHEW 10:28 “Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One(God) who can destroy both soul and body in hell.”

So who is the real Satan here? Who's doing all the burning, torturing, killing, and demanding you worship them or burn for eternity ect? Who's the one that is telling you to hate your family and yourself to devote your love to them? Well, it's your Volcano GOD (Yahweh) and Sun GOD (Jesus).. Fun stuff.

[Faith No More]

Lol, it's our fault if we get tortured. Reminds me of a scene like this...

Police Officer: Ma'am, did your husband hit you?

Wife: Yes officer, but it's my fault because I didn't cook the chicken exactly how he wanted it.

[Godscreated]

I'm actually quite fond of the idea of being "separated from god" for all eternity. I truly am. Under normal circumstances I would definitely not be the kind of person who would choose to torture myself. However, if the price of entry into this god free zone is torture, and your god is as massive a douche as you make him out to be, well......all of a sudden it becomes a price worth entertaining, to say the least.

Now, before you complain that I just don't understand, let me say that you may be right. If you are though, then perhaps something should be done about that? It isn't a lack of explanations or understanding that gives me such a strong distaste for your god, it is the well-spring of absolutely disgusting explanations and understanding that have brought me here. The apologetics you present GC, out of all of the amatuer apologists we have here, are the least satisfying. You make statements like "I could not say 100%" and then go on to make truth claims and statements of knowledge nevertheless. As you are pressed the picture of your deity becomes increasingly negative. If you describe a disgusting deity, then what else should we call it? Has the thought ever occurred to you that the faithful might be shitting all over god's good name, yourself included?

No, I praise my God who loves everyone, who gave up more than you can imagine, and I believe you know what you want and God will give that to you, part of your freewill. Now, if you think you can place any blame on me then you are sorrowful wrong, and God knows this as well. You made your choice long before I came along. As far as the 100% goes, I made no claim to my belief about hell being fact.

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driving the point home.

stop playing for time because you have no retort.

I made my retort, the only one that could possibly apply to such ignorance.

[TheJackel]

No, I praise my God who loves everyone

Which GOD is that? It's surely not the one in the bible... You did bother to actually read your bible..,correct?

who gave up more than you can imagine, and I believe you know what you want and God will give that to you, part of your freewill. [quote]

Gave up what exactly?.. Oh his only begotten son to which he is himself according to the trinity? That's like faking one's own death and jumping out at the funeral saying "SIKE!!"...Just kidding!

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Now, if you think you can place any blame on me then you are sorrowful wrong, and God knows this as well. You made your choice long before I came along. As far as the 100% goes, I made no claim to my belief about hell being fact.

<rolls eyes>, it's rather irrelevant what you believe since you seem very comfortable in changing that like an ever moving goal post to suit your needs in whatever argument situation you find yourself in. You spend a lot of time here trying very hard to circumvent logic, reason, and rationality so you don't have to deal with reality.. I know, reality is scary isn't it? I've had to deal with this myself when I began actually confronting it, and confronting my dishonesty.. I didn't become an Atheist over night, that took years.. It took me going from Christian to Deist, Deist to agnostic, Agnostic to Christian Atheism, Christian Atheism to Pantheism, and finally Pantheist to Atheist. And what I learned was that it's all BS, and I don't need any of that mythical crap to be happy or live a decently good life.

I made my retort, the only one that could possibly apply to such ignorance.Cool Shades

Now that is a precious statement coming from someone that displays ignorance like a shield of honor.

[Welsh cake]

I have not said that one will burn in hell forever, as a matter of fact denial of heaven is what I have proposed, that hell is a lonely and dark place.

How is that hell?

For an introvert like me that sounds like paradise.

God use fire as a way to explain that hell is the most terrible place one could spend eternity, there is no way that man could understand hell as being the absents of all love, and the misery that no love brings.

You just explained it. What's there to not understand? So you're not loved... big deal.

There are people alive today who are unloved and unwanted. Are they already in Hell?

No, I praise my God who loves everyone,

Why does he love everyone?

who gave up more than you can imagine,

What? He's no longer god?

Oh wait, he still gets to be god almighty and rule the universe forever after his pointless "sacrifice" to himself? So he gave up nothing then.

Now, if you think you can place any blame on me then you are sorrowful wrong, and God knows this as well.

You failed miserably to convert us and god won't forgive you for that.

Sorry O chosen one but you're coming to hell with us mate. ^^

[Godscreated]

No, I praise my God who loves everyone

Which GOD is that? It's surely not the one in the bible... You did bother to actually read your bible..,correct?

You contradict yourself, yes I read the Bible and study it, I'm well aware of it's content.

who gave up more than you can imagine, and I believe you know what you want and God will give that to you, part of your freewill.

Gave up what exactly?.. Oh his only begotten son to which he is himself according to the trinity? That's like faking one's own death and jumping out at the funeral saying "SIKE!!"...Just kidding!

Christ actually died, two totally different situations.

Now, if you think you can place any blame on me then you are sorrowful wrong, and God knows this as well. You made your choice long before I came along. As far as the 100% goes, I made no claim to my belief about hell being fact.

<rolls eyes>, it's rather irrelevant what you believe since you seem very comfortable in changing that like an ever moving goal post to suit your needs in whatever argument situation you find yourself in. You spend a lot of time here trying very hard to circumvent logic, reason, and rationality so you don't have to deal with reality.. I know, reality is scary isn't it? I've had to deal with this myself when I began actually confronting it, and confronting my dishonesty.. I didn't become an Atheist over night, that took years.. It took me going from Christian to Deist, Deist to agnostic, Agnostic to Christian Atheism, Christian Atheism to Pantheism, and finally Pantheist to Atheist. And what I learned was that it's all BS, and I don't need any of that mythical crap to be happy or live a decently good life.

Show me my change of belief, the goal post have not moved, your problem is the way you want to look at each situation so you can have an argument. It's obvious that you are unstable, you have shown us that in the way you changed your life many times. It's no wonder you do not live a coherent life.

[Cinjin]

This pic is of course directed at the responses of GC ...

But this time, I am also directing it at myself ... maybe even more so.
WHY do I even engage him??? His ruminations are just utter nonsense.

I bring these things on myself damnit.

[Godscreated]

[quote='Godschild' pid='274705' dateline='1334807780']I have not said that one will burn in hell forever, as a matter of fact denial of heaven is what I have proposed, that hell is a lonely and dark place.

How is that hell?

For an introvert like me that sounds like paradise.

That's a summary, no details were given. Might not be so pleasant as you would like.

God use fire as a way to explain that hell is the most terrible place one could spend eternity, there is no way that man could understand hell as being the absents of all love, and the misery that no love brings.

You just explained it. What's there to not understand? So you're not loved... big deal.

There are people alive today who are unloved and unwanted. Are they already in Hell?

There is no way you or anyone else could know what it's like not to have the love of God, He loves everyone, when one enters hell His love will no longer be with anyone there.

No, I praise my God who loves everyone,

Why does he love everyone?

It is His nature.

who gave up more than you can imagine,

What? He's no longer god?

Oh wait, he still gets to be god almighty and rule the universe forever after his pointless "sacrifice" to himself? So he gave up nothing then.

I've explained this before, am not going to continually repeat myself to those who do not listen.

Now, if you think you can place any blame on me then you are sorrowful wrong, and God knows this as well.

You failed miserably to convert us and god won't forgive you for that.

Sorry O chosen one but you're coming to hell with us mate. ^^

Oh, now you know the mind of God, the One you do not believe exist, that's a funny one ha ha ha. Now to the truth of the situation, I've witnessed about Christ, after that it's up to you, your time to exercise your freewill, the responsibility falls on you my friend not me, I have done what was asked of me "to witness". I'm secure, will be in heaven with my God, if I do not see you there it's your fault, no blame will be placed on me.

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This pic is of course directed at the responses of GC ...

But this time, I am also directing it at myself ... maybe even more so.
WHY do I even engage him??? His ruminations are just utter nonsense.

I bring these things on myself damnit.

You know you can't help it my friend, please do not beat up on yourself. That's for me to do.

[Reforged]

I made my retort, the only one that could possibly apply to such ignorance.

You accusing anyone of being ignorant is like MJs animated corpse accusing Macaulay Culkin of being a pervert.