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RE: My Complaint With Atheism/Atheists
May 9, 2012 at 5:47 pm
You, yourself cannot say your morale and judging them changes nothing.
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RE: My Complaint With Atheism/Atheists
May 9, 2012 at 5:48 pm
(May 9, 2012 at 5:36 pm)DeeTee Wrote: their claim to be moral when in reality they are not.
Well you believers would be the experts there. 
*awaits some shit about God*
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RE: My Complaint With Atheism/Atheists
May 9, 2012 at 5:55 pm
Oh, the irony.
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RE: My Complaint With Atheism/Atheists
May 9, 2012 at 6:10 pm
(This post was last modified: May 9, 2012 at 6:18 pm by Neo-Scholastic.)
(May 9, 2012 at 5:41 pm)libalchris Wrote: I ask 2 simple questions Why those questions? What makes them a reliable guide for moral behavior?
(May 9, 2012 at 5:45 pm)Tobie Wrote: Evolution gives us our morality - it stems from empathy and a desire to further the species, but this argument has been done to death on another thread: http://atheistforums.org/thread-12306.html The evolutionary basis of morality was refuted on the "Objective Morality" thread, http://atheistforums.org/thread-12271.html
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RE: My Complaint With Atheism/Atheists
May 9, 2012 at 6:18 pm
(May 9, 2012 at 6:10 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: (May 9, 2012 at 5:41 pm)libalchris Wrote: I ask 2 simple questions Why those questions? What makes them a reliable guide for moral behavior?
They are basically an agreement of what works best for everyone. Everyone makes a deal with society to outlaw and/or look down on certain things based on those two questions. For example, nobody wants to be murdered, so everyone says "we'll not kill each other, that way everyone is happy. Anybody who breaks this rule by killing or attempting to kill someone will be thrown in jail" For more minor things like lying in an informal situation, it is merely looked down upon for the most part.
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RE: My Complaint With Atheism/Atheists
May 9, 2012 at 6:31 pm
(May 9, 2012 at 5:55 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Oh, the irony.
Beat me to it
Lovecraft old sock,can you tell me why people are still bothering with Teehee? The guy is a complete fool,and obviously not the brightest candle in the church. I think he's a nub. 
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RE: My Complaint With Atheism/Atheists
May 9, 2012 at 6:32 pm
(May 9, 2012 at 6:31 pm)padraic Wrote: (May 9, 2012 at 5:55 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Oh, the irony.
Beat me to it
Lovecraft old sock,can you tell me why people are still bothering with Teehee? The guy is a complete fool,and obviously not the brightest candle in the church. I think he's a nub.
No, the brightest candle for the church is usually the dimmest candle in the church. This is another reason why christianity is such a cesspool.
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RE: My Complaint With Atheism/Atheists
May 9, 2012 at 6:47 pm
(This post was last modified: May 9, 2012 at 6:48 pm by Oldandeasilyconfused.)
Quote:Why those questions? What makes them a reliable guide for moral behavior?
Fair question.
I don't find morality quite that simple. I sometimes find myself in conflict between my rational and emotional self. Rationally I'm self interested, utilitarian and a moral relativist. Emotionally, I am burdened with a REALLY annoying vestigal Catholic conscience. Do you know,there are times where I actually DO things NOT in my own best interest? I'm a baaaaaaad little atheist.
PS Rationally, I do not recognise any external or transcendent moral authority.
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RE: My Complaint With Atheism/Atheists
May 10, 2012 at 3:08 am
(May 9, 2012 at 5:36 pm)DeeTee Wrote: I have been on a number of atheist boards and in discussion with numerous atheists. I am in one now on same sex marriage with a scholar at an american university and he does what all atheists do, that I have come in contact with,--He puts words into my mouth that I did not say and credits me with acts I did not do.
it gets old after awhile but that is not my focus with this thread. One major complaint (aside from their subjectivity) is their claim to be moral when in reality they are not.
Atheists claim that religious people do not have a monopoly on morality but if one looks at the atheistic way of life, their is no source for their own supposed moral code.
Where do they get their idea of morality from? Well they will not admit to it but they hijack a lot of it from the Bible but they also allow themselves wiggle room to be able to lie, misrepresent what others say, alter quotes to fit their arguments, be abusive, being hypocritical, using double standards and other minor sins they deem not important.
In God's eye they are not moral, in my eyes they are not being moral but fudging the lines to do whatever they feel like when the situation calls for it.
In other words, I do not find atheists to be as moral as they claim and their words and actions bear this conclusion out. How can they say they are moral when they will be immoral when it benefits them?
Be careful before you start dancing the morality dance. There are people here who can dance circles around you on that.
Your god and moral? Puhlease. You Christians abandoned your god's morality a few centuries ago. And with good reason too. It was dragging your collective asses down the drain.
What you do use now, for most part, is secular morality. Morality that is based on reality and reason. Morality that is not arbitrary or absolute, but as detailed and nuanced as the situations people in real life find themselves to be. But you can't just let go of your fairy tales now, could you? Now you all are just desperately scrambling around - half of you trying to say that secular morality is wrong - while living by it and the other half rewriting the bible to fit the secular morality.
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RE: My Complaint With Atheism/Atheists
May 10, 2012 at 3:19 am
Yeah, Christians would certainly NEVER be immoral when it benefits them. What a joker.
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