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What stops you from sinning in heaven?
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Sounds reasonable to me Welsh... pity about the xtians though...they soooooo depend on being elitist and 'Chosen of God'
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 (May 16, 2012 at 10:14 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Sounds reasonable to me Welsh... pity about the xtians though...they soooooo depend on being elitist and 'Chosen of God'They'll arguably be the most miserable and wretched in Hell, no different from a millionaire who once had everything only to ultimately wind up in poverty and destitution. To bastardise Alfred Lord Tennyson's poem: "Tis better to never have loved god at all, than to love him and yet be rejected by him."   (May 16, 2012 at 9:45 am)Welsh cake Wrote: Okay, so we've had a lot of apologetic arguments from theists that you can't sin in Heaven for various reasons. The entire plan of God is to prove that love will triumph over evil, and that love will reign eternal.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
Prove to whom?
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RE: What stops you from sinning in heaven?
May 17, 2012 at 1:13 am
(This post was last modified: May 17, 2012 at 1:17 am by Godscreated.)
(May 16, 2012 at 4:26 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Prove to whom? Everyone at judgement. Believers already know this. (May 16, 2012 at 5:00 pm)Welsh cake Wrote:(May 16, 2012 at 4:02 pm)Godschild Wrote: The entire plan of God is to prove that love will triumph over evil, and that love will reign eternal.He can't. That would violate the free will of those who choose evil. No it will not, they chose to side with evil, and God will show them how wrong they were in their choice. Simple really.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
(May 17, 2012 at 1:13 am)Godschild Wrote: No it will not, they chose to side with evil, and God will show them how wrong they were in their choice. Simple really.You claimed love with triumph over evil. Your god gloating and reminding the reprobates that they fucked up and now will now face eternal condemnation is not an example of love defeating sin. Sin is still a more powerful force than your god. It shouldn't surprise him, he set up a reality where this was possible and did not properly consider that the majority of creation would grow to hate and loathe him forever. Either god is too weak to save, oblivious to our existence because we're so insignificant compared to him, utterly evil, or simply negligent and incompetent. Take your pick. RE: What stops you from sinning in heaven?
May 17, 2012 at 3:05 pm
(This post was last modified: May 17, 2012 at 3:06 pm by Godscreated.)
(May 17, 2012 at 1:13 am)Godschild Wrote: No it will not, they chose to side with evil, and God will show them how wrong they were in their choice. Simple really. Wc Wrote:You claimed love with triumph over evil. Your god gloating and reminding the reprobates that they fucked up and now will now face eternal condemnation is not an example of love defeating sin. God says that He desires none to perish, this does not sound like gloating, it is the love He has for all. God gave us free will for several reasons, the one that's important here is to allow us to choose, either to accept His love or reject it. The opposite of love would be evil, with God there's no fence riding allowed. Wc Wrote:Sin is still a more powerful force than your god. It shouldn't surprise him, he set up a reality where this was possible and did not properly consider that the majority of creation would grow to hate and loathe him forever. God is never caught by surprise, God has seen all of history, sin could never get the upper hand on Him. God punishes sin so how can you possibly believe that the Punisher of sin could be weaker than sin. Wc Wrote:Either god is too weak to save, oblivious to our existence because we're so insignificant compared to him, utterly evil, or simply negligent and incompetent. Take your pick. Neither are a biblical choices, so you can rule them out. God saves all those who choose His Son through faith. God's nature is love, so there can be on evil in Him, the two are incompatible as the nature of a being.[/quote]
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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