JESUS CHRIST: Myth or Historical Person?

[Polaris]

I make up no evidence at all.

I merely point out that no one in the early first century AD seems to have taken the slightest notice of your boy and I find that odd.

Someone coming back from the fucking dead would have been BIG NEWS.

Sorry if you thought I was referring to you because I am not referring to you when I say some atheists. I meant it as a general statement. Sorry for the confusion and sorry that you saw it as an insult.

I was referring to some atheists who take a cookie cutter approach to other myths that say the details of Jesus' ministry are that deities as well, which is nothing like the actual myth. Either it is passed as a joke that I don't get (I'm not always the best with jokes) or they fail to see that saying a god was born on December the 25th does not make much sense since that date was only used because of the Roman pagan holiday the Christians subverted.

[Tea Earl Grey Hot]

I make up no evidence at all.

I merely point out that no one in the early first century AD seems to have taken the slightest notice of your boy and I find that odd.

Someone coming back from the fucking dead would have been BIG NEWS.

Nah, it was nothing special back then. Happened all the time.

The real miracle is that all those dying and rising gods didn't collide into each other in mid air during their ascensions.

[Minimalist]

I was referring to some atheists who take a cookie cutter approach to other myths that say the details of Jesus' ministry are that deities as well, which is nothing like the actual myth.

I agree that some people....you'd have to ask them whether or not they are "atheists" stretch the point a bit but you also can't deny that the ANE was full of dying/resurrected vegetation gods. Almost every culture had one.

Leaving aside the extraordinary claims the fact remains that a "god" coming back to life was not exactly unknown among pagan religions.

[Polaris]

I was referring to some atheists who take a cookie cutter approach to other myths that say the details of Jesus' ministry are that deities as well, which is nothing like the actual myth.

I agree that some people....you'd have to ask them whether or not they are "atheists" stretch the point a bit but you also can't deny that the ANE was full of dying/resurrected vegetation gods. Almost every culture had one.

Leaving aside the extraordinary claims the fact remains that a "god" coming back to life was not exactly unknown among pagan religions.

Well they could be Christians trying to give normal atheists a bad image.

[Minimalist]

Um, there's a xtian scholar named James Tabor who is trying to show that a tomb in Israel is where jesus and his wife, mary magdalene, were buried. So, be careful when you assume that all "xtians" believe exactly as you do.

[Polaris]

Um, there's a xtian scholar named James Tabor who is trying to show that a tomb in Israel is where jesus and his wife, mary magdalene, were buried. So, be careful when you assume that all "xtians" believe exactly as you do.

Christians actually don't think too much alike as typified by the large number of denominations.

[Tea Earl Grey Hot]

@Polaris

From what I've read of your posts so far, it doesn't seem like to me that you've heard any of the really credible arguments from scholars for the similarities of the gospels to ancient myths and doubtful historicity of Jesus. I recommend for starters Robert M. Price

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzOrc_kwcU4

[Alter2Ego]

I'm trying to keep this thread on the topic of Jesus Christ's historicity.

Then please produce some evidence that Jesus actually existed. And I'm talking about historical documents and writings that mention Jesus from the time he was supposedly alive.

Good luck with that.

ALTER2EGO -to- THOR:
Let me remind you that Cornelius Tacitus lived through the reign of at least four different Roman emperors and earned the reputation as "the greatest historian of his era." He had to have been an outstanding historian in order to be singled out and given such recognition.

Again, a historian does not have to live in the same century as the people he or she is reporting on. All that's required is access to credible documentation such as government records and the like. This was the case with Cornelius Tacitus. Below are some of the sources from which he got his historical data, quoted verbatim, along with the weblink to the website where I got the info from.


WHERE DID CORNELIUS TACTITUS GET HIS INFO?

The sources of Tacitus
Tacitus used the official sources of the Roman state: the acta senatus (the minutes of the session of the Senate) and the acta diurna populi Romani (a collection of the acts of the government and news of the court and capital). He read collections of emperors' speeches, such as Tiberius and Claudius. Generally, Tacitus was a scrupulous historian who paid careful attention to his historical works. The minor inaccuracies in the Annals may be due to Tacitus dying before finishing (and therefore final proofreading) of this work. He used a variety of historical and literary sources; he used them freely and he chose from sources of varied opinions.

http://www.tititudorancea.org/z/tacitus.htm


CONFIRMATION THAT TACITUS WROTE ABOUT CHRIST:

The Annals
The Annals was Tacitus' final work, covering the period from the death of Augustus Caesar in 14 AD. He wrote at least sixteen books, but books 7–10 and parts of books 5, 6, 11 and 16 are missing. Book 6 ends with the death of Tiberius and books 7–12 presumably covered the reigns of Caligula and Claudius. The remaining books cover the reign of Nero, perhaps until his death in June 68 or until the end of that year, to connect with the [BHistories. The second half of book 16 is missing (ending with the events of 66). We do not know whether Tacitus completed the work or whether he finished the other works that he had planned to write; he died before he could complete his planned histories of Nerva and Trajan, and no record survives of the work on Augustus Caesar and the beginnings of the Empire with which he had planned to finish his work. The Annals is also among the first-known secular-historic records to mention Jesus (see Tacitus on Christ), which Tacitus does so in connection with Nero's persecution of the Christians.

http://www.tititudorancea.org/z/tacitus.htm

[Minimalist]

Um, there's a xtian scholar named James Tabor who is trying to show that a tomb in Israel is where jesus and his wife, mary magdalene, were buried. So, be careful when you assume that all "xtians" believe exactly as you do.

Christians actually don't think too much alike as typified by the large number of denominations.

I haven't met one yet who doesn't think that his godboy came back from the dead and then rose to heaven.

That is the implication of what Tabor is saying....of course his evidence is absurd and he has been soundly thrashed.

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Let me remind you that Cornelius Tacitus lived through the reign of at least four different Roman emperors and earned the reputation as "the greatest historian of his era."

And yet, dear shithead, even with all that NOT A SINGLE ANCIENT WRITER...XTIAN OR OTHERWISE...MAKES THE SLIGHTEST REFERENCE TO THIS ALLEGED PASSAGE. In fact, a bastardized version of it ( without all the Pilate shit) does not show up until the 5th century work of Sulpicius Severus and even he does not mention Tacitus.

Maybe its another one of them fucking miracles, huh?

[Polaris]

That's because the Catholic Church did everything in their power to label them as heretics and cast them out.