Trying to see the "positive" of Christianity.

[fr0d0]

In the dogma I learnt all scripture is inspired. I think you mean what is prescriptive and not. THS is a tool for discernment, as well as your teaching and reasoning powers. Our source of knowledge is the bible. Submission.. I don't get the link there.

I'm not the person to explain that I think. Someone like Ryft would be best IMO over on aristophrenium.com

[Taqiyya Mockingbird]

John 8:12 ...Jesus spoke to them, saying, I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.

Ephesians 5:7 Therefore do not associate with them; 8) for at one time you were darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light 9) for the fruit of light is found in all that is good and right and true, 10) and try and discern what is pleasing to the Lord. 11) Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.

1st John 1:5 This is the message we have heard from Him and proclaim to you, that God is light, and in Him is no darkness at all. 6) If we say we have fellowship with Him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 7) But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. 8) If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us....

1st John 2:9 Whoever says he is in the light and hates his brother is still in darkness. 10) Whoever loves his brother abides in the light, and in him there is no cause for stumbling. 11) But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.

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If you read the Bible and take the good stuff from there (don't kill, don't steal, love your neighbour, help the poor etc.) that can be viewed as positive Christianity. But once you get to the part where you start to believe in anti-gay, anti-abortion and so on...thing start to get negative.

They were not negative for a few thousand years, the God of the Bible has not changed and neither has His word, people have changed and IMO for the worse. Shouldn't what has stood as truth for thousands of tears still hold true, the ones you named above has not been changed by man, why have the ones you refer to as negative.

I was under the impression that proselytizing, especially of this sort, was not allowed in this forum...?

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No. Primitive bigoted horseshit needs to be exposed as primitive bigoted horseshit and eliminated from the modern world.

Straw man. Where did anyone argue, "Primitive bigoted horseshit does not need to be exposed as primitive bigoted horseshit", or "Primitive bigoted horseshit doesn't need to be eliminated from the modern world"?

Rather, the question is whether Christianity can be accurately characterized as 'primitive bigoted horseshit'. (Disclaimer: We all fucking know what you think the right answer is. What happens in reasoned discussions is that you explain the reasoning behind your answer.)

The days of your dark superstitions are over.

Yes, our sad devotion to that ancient religion haven't helped us to conjure up the stolen data tapes, or given us clairvoyance enough to find the Rebels hidden fortr--

"In the beginning, gawd made the heavens and the earth" -- primitive.

"Gawd hates Fags" -- bigoted.

"Our superstitions are relevant to the modern world" -- horseshit.


QED.

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In the dogma I learnt all scripture is inspired.

WTF does that even mean? It's just word salad.

[fr0d0]

In the dogma I learnt all scripture is inspired.

WTF does that even mean? It's just word salad.

You write stuff... but it's like you're on a parrallel planet replying to someone else. You're that far from understandable.

[Taqiyya Mockingbird]

WTF does that even mean? It's just word salad.

You write stuff... but it's like you're on a parrallel planet replying to someone else. You're that far from understandable.

NOt surprising.

I am from another planet where reason and evidence, rather than superstition, pathological lies, and fairy tales, are held to be persuasive.

You likely wouldn't like it much here. No one flies wide-body airliners into skyscrapers.



You said "scripture is inspired."

Wtf is that ("inspired") supposed to mean?

How hard was that really?

[Mystic]

In the dogma I learnt all scripture is inspired. I think you mean what is prescriptive and not. THS is a tool for discernment, as well as your teaching and reasoning powers. Our source of knowledge is the bible. Submission.. I don't get the link there.

I'm not the person to explain that I think. Someone like Ryft would be best IMO over on aristophrenium.com

So each verse, you can tell, that it's from God? The holy spirit makes you know that how exactly?

[fr0d0]

No. Every verse is from God. Period. Inspire means just that. You can know if something is right. Scripture is also a rule to measure by.

[Reforged]

WTF does that even mean? It's just word salad.

You write stuff... but it's like you're on a parrallel planet replying to someone else. You're that far from understandable.

Where as you answer everything straightforward and to the point, right fr0d0? :-)

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No. Every verse is from God. Period. Inspire means just that. You can know if something is right. Scripture is also a rule to measure by.

Three very short and simple questions and I think everyone will agree they're rather important to discerning your views:
Is the old testament from God?
Is the new testament from God?
How can you tell whats from God and what isn't?

[Zen Badger]

No. Every verse is from God. Period. Inspire means just that. You can know if something is right. Scripture is also a rule to measure by.

(Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)

If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.

(Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

(Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

Yep, I can see how these would be inspired by a loving compassionate god.

No... realllyyy.....

[KichigaiNeko]

As far as I can understand the positive is that people would be just as good and lovely WITHOUT their silly fairy story beliefs.

[fr0d0]

You said "scripture is inspired."
[what] is that ("inspired") supposed to mean?

Ooh - something I can respond to!

People were 'inspired' to write it down. Vie logical deduction we deduce that their source of inspiration was god. Now you would disagree with that, not having a 'god' allowance in your world view. So it might be difficult for you to imagine. Sufffice to say, if you refuse to consider the question, you shouldn't expect to see an answer.

[Wow I can imagine the word salad that this'll 'inspire' ]

Where as you answer everything straightforward and to the point, right fr0d0? :-)

So did you see my answers on the other thread... reason for you to desist with the soft torment in your sig yet?

Three very short and simple questions and I think everyone will agree they're rather important to discerning your views:
Is the old testament from God?
Is the new testament from God?
How can you tell whats from God and what isn't?

Asking questions for the crowd still I see. I guess that means I HAVE to answer you because NOT TO ANSWER would be held up for ridicule because "Well why can't this person answer a reasonable question!!!" Oh NOES!!!

So lets me see.

I said: "all of the bible is inspired by God."

You said: "is the OT and the NT inspirted by God."
*thinks for a minute * ...Yes!

You said: "How can you tell whats from God and what isn't?"

I said: (you know I've never EVER heard that question asked on this forrum beforre! I must praise you for your inventiveness! Kudos! ) "THS (That's [T]he [H]oly [S]pirit lovver) is a tool for discernment, as well as your teaching and reasoning powers. Our source of knowledge is the bible"

You said: "How can you tell whats from God and what isn't?"
You know lovver, I get the feeling that you aren't listening to me here. I might be hurt, but I know your intentions are honourable. Love ya!