Pat Robertson says it's ok to ignore parts of the Bible.

[Minimalist]

I take this to mean their is a seperation between what 'we' were doing in the those days as being different than what the bible condones.

So some slaves had it easy, eh Drippy?

Slackers.

[Ziploc Surprise]

I watched the clip. He doesn't come out and say "you can cherry-pick". However, he does say that the Bible condones slavery. Right after that, he says that we now know that treating humans like commodities is wrong. So the Bible: Slavery is a-okay! And modern society: Slavery is very, very wrong.

I take this to mean their is a seperation between what 'we' were doing in the those days as being different than what the bible condones. I see it this way because slaves were not "commodities" they have a very strict rights and laws governing how slaves were to be treated. There are nor were their any laws concerning the 'rights' of commodities.

Pat Chose His words very carefully, and if the clip was not edited short i am sure we would have saw him tie the precepts together... Matter of fact when I just googled it Pat was being slamed for condoning slavery and speaking out against an old recounting of a slave revolt, to defend what the bible says about slavery.
http://wisb.blogspot.com/2010/01/haiti-a...is-ok.html
Again, not a big fan of Pat, but I am less of a fan of out and out slander.

If you are being bought and sold against your will doesn't that make you a commodity?

You say that there are or were no laws concerning the 'rights' of commodities. I say that animals are commodities and the Bible has laws concerning the treatment of animals "don't muzzle the ox while it's threshing" (paraphrased from my memory but used frequently enough in church that you ought to know it) and there are others. As for the rights of slaves (a commodity because they were bought and sold against their will) this has already been addressed. Thank you (I forgot your username) for doing this.

As for Pat Robertson and the Hati slave revolt comment he made, that had nothing to do with the video I posted. Specifically in the video I posted Pat Robertson was answering a viewer question. I will grant you one thing though, the video was cut short.

Back to the slavery issue: The Bible condones slavery, and we now think that any form of slavery, whether the slaves had some rights or not, is bad. But the Bible also condones selling your own daughter into sex slavery. Our society considers this nightmarishly horrible and immoral. Here's a wonderful link about slavery and the Bible and the rights these commodities had. http://blessedatheist.com/2010/11/03/god...nd-profit/ . I'm not impressed, I also note that female slaves had less rights than male slaves. Her body was the property of her master who could do whatever he wanted to do to her against her will. This is just sick. Where can I puke?

[Drich]

Pretty damning evidence for the personal sanctioning of slavery by the mythical OT god-figure.

What are you talking about? This is not my arguement.

[Cato]

Pretty damning evidence for the personal sanctioning of slavery by the mythical OT god-figure.

What are you talking about? This is not my arguement.

Does this mean that you are ok with slavery or do you agree that your God is a cunt and needs revising?

[Drich]

If you are being bought and sold against your will doesn't that make you a commodity?

Nope. Technically it would make one live stock..

You say that there are or were no laws concerning the 'rights' of commodities. I say that animals are commodities

Commodity:
any unprocessed or partially processed good, as grain, fruits, and vegetables, or precious metals.

and the Bible has laws concerning the treatment of animals "don't muzzle the ox while it's threshing" (paraphrased from my memory but used frequently enough in church that you ought to know it) and there are others.

Again, Animals are livestock.

Back to the slavery issue: The Bible condones slavery,

Yes, but what was happening in America during colonial times or more over what was going on leading up the the civial war was not "condoned slavery" as outlined by scripture. "to kill a Mocking bird" provided scripture that shows what was orginally deemed slavery, was NOT what was going on in America. what was happening in America was 'slavery' by name only.

and we now think that any form of slavery, whether the slaves had some rights or not, is bad.

Not all of us.

But the Bible also condones selling your own daughter into sex slavery. Our society considers this nightmarishly horrible and immoral. Here's a wonderful link about slavery and the Bible and the rights these commodities had. http://blessedatheist.com/2010/11/03/god...nd-profit/ . I'm not impressed, I also note that female slaves had less rights than male slaves. Her body was the property of her master who could do whatever he wanted to do to her against her will. This is just sick. Where can I puke?

Thanks to the slaves that built this country, anywhere your self righteousness demands it.
Bottom line the rules concerning female slaves were their for the women who were destined to be slaves. like it or not Slaves were nessary. To trivialize the roles slaves play in the foundation of any 'great nation' is to ignore the vital contributions made by the unsung men and women (and their children) who never see the big picture, or what all of their blood sweat and tears paid for. You are living in the lap of luxuary as the result of slave labor. so when you puke try not to puke on all of those who put you in such a position trivialize their lives their contributions to History.

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Does this mean that you are ok with slavery

Yuuup!

[Cato]

Does this mean that you are ok with slavery

Yuuup!

I appreciate your honest reply to part of my question, but I am a bit troubled why you took the time to truncate it.

Here's my entire quote:
"Does this mean that you are ok with slavery or do you agree that your God is a cunt and needs revising?"

Does your reply indicate that your God is a cunt and needs revising? Based on your reply I can make the claim, regarding slavery, that your God is a cunt and doesn't need revising in your opinion. I can also imagine a situation where you disagree that your God is a cunt, but agree that slavery is ok; yet you avoided offering opinion in this regard.

Why did you leave off the last part?

[Ziploc Surprise]

If you are being bought and sold against your will doesn't that make you a commodity?

Nope. Technically it would make one live stock..

You say that there are or were no laws concerning the 'rights' of commodities. I say that animals are commodities

Commodity:
any unprocessed or partially processed good, as grain, fruits, and vegetables, or precious metals. [/qipte]
A raw material or primary agricultural product that can be bought and sold, such as copper or coffee.
A useful or valuable thing, such as water or time.
Synonyms:
goods - merchandise - article - ware - product - item
Just because they are afraid to use the word "humans" does not mean that word does not apply in context.

Back to the slavery issue: The Bible condones slavery,

Yes, but what was happening in America during colonial times or more over what was going on leading up the the civial war was not "condoned slavery" as outlined by scripture. "to kill a Mocking bird" provided scripture that shows what was orginally deemed slavery, was NOT what was going on in America. what was happening in America was 'slavery' by name only.

I'm familiar with the argument....there's more to it than you mentioned but for anyone else reading this reply let me just say that it's more bullshit along the same lines. It's really sad. Fortunately it's not scary anymore because almost everyone can discern the bullshit in the argument. I'm glad that those who believe that bullshit no longer have any power and are shot down whenever they speak up

and we now think that any form of slavery, whether the slaves had some rights or not, is bad.

Not all of us.

But the Bible also condones selling your own daughter into sex slavery. Our society considers this nightmarishly horrible and immoral. Here's a wonderful link about slavery and the Bible and the rights these commodities had. http://blessedatheist.com/2010/11/03/god...nd-profit/ . I'm not impressed, I also note that female slaves had less rights than male slaves. Her body was the property of her master who could do whatever he wanted to do to her against her will. This is just sick. Where can I puke?

Thanks to the slaves that built this country, anywhere your self righteousness demands it.
Bottom line the rules concerning female slaves were their for the women who were destined to be slaves. like it or not Slaves were nessary. To trivialize the roles slaves play in the foundation of any 'great nation' is to ignore the vital contributions made by the unsung men and women (and their children) who never see the big picture, or what all of their blood sweat and tears paid for. You are living in the lap of luxuary as the result of slave labor. so when you puke try not to puke on all of those who put you in such a position trivialize their lives their contributions to History.

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Does this mean that you are ok with slavery

Yuuup!
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Question to other members of the forum: Is this guy a poe or just an asshole who wants to believe that that the Bible isn't as nasty as it is?

[Annik]

Does this mean that you are ok with slavery

Yuuup!

I sincerely hope you are kidding.

[Taqiyya Mockingbird]

If you are being bought and sold against your will doesn't that make you a commodity?

Nope. Technically it would make one live stock..

You say that there are or were no laws concerning the 'rights' of commodities. I say that animals are commodities

Commodity:
any unprocessed or partially processed good, as grain, fruits, and vegetables, or precious metals.

Equivocating twat.


Merriam-Websters:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/commodity

Definition of COMMODITY
1
: an economic good: as a : a product of agriculture or mining b : an article of commerce especially when delivered for shipment <commodities futures> c : a mass-produced unspecialized product <commodity chemicals> <commodity memory chips>
2
a : something useful or valued <that valuable commodity patience>; also : thing, entity b : convenience, advantage
3
obsolete : quantity, lot
4
: a good or service whose wide availability typically leads to smaller profit margins and diminishes the importance of factors (as brand name) other than price
5
: one that is subject to ready exchange or exploitation within a market <stars as individuals and as commodities of the film industry — Film Quarterly>

and the Bible has laws concerning the treatment of animals "don't muzzle the ox while it's threshing" (paraphrased from my memory but used frequently enough in church that you ought to know it) and there are others.

Again, Animals are livestock.

And when bought and sold they are also commodities. At any rate you are dodging by equivocation and attempting to avoid the issue of your god-figure being a colossal scumbag.

Does this mean that you are ok with slavery

Yuuup!

Which makes you as utterly contemptible as your scumbag god-figure.

[Ziploc Surprise]

Yuuup!

I sincerely hope you are kidding.

So do I.