OK Christians. your chance. Convince me of God.

[greneknight]

Reasonable Jeff, I don't find what you say convincing at all. The Gospel writers do copy from one another. Matthew and Luke both copy from Mark. John goes on his own little expedition which is why he is so weird. But he had an agenda. He was trying to run down a group that called themselves the followers of St Thomas. WHich is why he put in all those stories about Thomas whereas the Synoptics don't even mention Thomas.

[Drich]

Oddly I make all me belief decisions that way. If someone gives me a tip about the stock market ( a regular occurrence) I do my due diligence and check out the company involved before I invest. Are you claiming that I shouldn't do this and just trust the tip? Why?

Because it is not possiable to know all aspects of everything we are expected to believe living in our soceity. Ie, my example on gravity.

What a strange question to ask an Atheist! We don't believe we have any such choice. We live then die and no longer exist and that's an end to the matter.

Which again is a desision you make. Just like a man who shunns a formal education. Just because he has choosen to not educate himself doesn't mean an education is not avaiable, does not mean higher learning is not possiable.

But we don't love god to start with. We cannot love what doesn't exist.

Again the process starts with Want. or did you purposly ignore that word?

Know she has acknowledged that YOU believe God to be omnipotent and omniscient not that he actually is.

Why don't you let the lady speak for herself? Or is that how they/you all do it where your from? (Tell women what it is they are thinking)

If I was invited to the white house I would at least expect it to be there. If I turned up and there was nothing there at all but some staffer who told me to close my eyes and just believe that it existed I would have good reason to doubt it.

Maybe you are confused or I simply misjudged your life's experience. Have you died and come back, and now you are telling us there is nothing to be experienced after death? In essence "you turned up there" and found nothing?

Your disbelief or rather you ablity to disbelieve is apart of God's plan.

How do you know this? Did he tell you a or is it in the bible?

He tells all of us through the bible.

If I don't believe then according to you then it is God’s plan that I don't believe.

God's plan is that you have the oppertunity to not believe.

So if it is actually his plan that I don;t believe and then he tortures my soul to eternity for not believing then he is a cunt,, the most evil being that ever existed.

Which is why you have been given a choice. For all will not want to love and accept God.

So the people annoying me in the street are just worshipping God? They aren;t really trying to convert me for my benefit they are just stacking up points! Thanks for for the clarification.

I would say most are doing the best they can with what it is they have been given.

But lots of books advertise different gods. Why should I chose one that is utterly full of absurdities, lies, historicity and calls to genocide? The very least he could do is make rational.

To who's standards? Do you forget that the values of the soceity you live in would not be the values of the people who live these events out? Since it would not make a whole lot of sense to force a different culture to adopt this generations set of values for the sake of this very specific self absorbed culture who thinks their particular post WWII morals should have been the moral standards of all time.. God simply worked with in the frame work of the people he was dealing with. (as He does now.) Which allows them to have the direction they need.

Fuck ..you are a fascist. I consider a bad dog one that attacks people for no reason, good dogs are ones that display normal dog pack behavior. All my dogs have strong wills. They are my companions not my slaves. I have rescued 4 street dogs. They are free to leave if they wish and they don't because I give them love, food and shelter, in return they give me love and protection. I don't train them to do tricks.Thye don't maul us because that isn't normal behaviour. Of course we are a vast;ly bigger threat to dogs than they are to us.

"Pack behavior" includes mauling and killing for sport. It seems you have over looked this in my orginal assessment. So I ask again would you keep a dog(s) who did what he wanted when he wanted? This is not limited to bodily functions. This includes mauling and killing for sport. If your 'rescue' hunted down and mauled your child would you keep that dog or have him destroyed?
We break dog of their will and impose our own. That means even if you allow that dog to have more freedoms than other, you are still putting limits on that dog.

I bet you approve of beating children.

If one spares the rod He will spoil (or to literally make rotten/decay in the Hebrew) the Child. You will destroy his/her soul.

[Faith No More]

So what do you think, is he legit?

No.

[Reasonable_Jeff]

Out of the people you mentioned, only tax collectors would have been literate. The rest couldn't have written anything that would have contributed to the NT.

Paul was a tent maker and wrote most of the new testament.

[Drich]

Why does he sometimes make that 'birth' excessively painful and demeaning, when suffering is not a necessary part of dying?

What birth is without pain?

I agree entirely, 'morality' is a crap standard of man's own self-righteousness... and God isn't good enough to meet it.

Why? Because man changes it to suit his own righteousness, and if God were to chase down and meet man's righteousness everytime it change then He would not be worthy of worship. In that senerio Man would be the supreme beings and God the servant.

Suffer all you want then, for your God. Leave me, and my loved ones, out of it.

Suffering comes to us all like it or not, when our number is called we can suffer with or without God. I choose to suffer for purpose and mean. However if you wish to deprive you and your family of that, then that desision is on you.

I would save a kid if I had the capacity and proximity to do it. I would never choose not to. I suspect most would not.

God allegedly has the ability to do this (and everything else) but frequently, willfully, refuses to do it.

What you and your group fails to understand is that this world and all that happens in it is in our charge in our care. We are responsiable for this realm. Meaning you are in the role of first responder not God. if you see a need and do nothing then all your 'judgement' applies to you. It like if you were to have a child and neglect him because Child services mission statement includes the protection of Children. Child services is not meant to be the primary source of care for all children. Child services holds neglegent parents accountable for their actions.

Of course, I don't.

But, unlike Yahweh, I don't presume to be perfect.

..And you don't see the self righteous hyprocrisy in that? "God do as I say not as I do!"

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OK so back to the beginning.

Since you Christians utterly concede that there is no compelling evidence to believe god exists and that we need to have 'faith' then why should we have faith in your God and not one of the competing religions that use the same arguments?

The above quote is a Straw man arguement.
We do not conceed that "there is no compelling evidence to believe God exists." We simply point out that it is not our job to supply you with that evidence. Our only task is to point people in the direction to find said evidence on their own when asked.

[Mystic]

It's possible for there to be inferred scientific proof of design (personally I think consciousness could not have came without divine intervention for example), however science cannot prove knowledge of that designer. It cannot prove it's good, benevolent, or great. It cannot prove it's a being worthy of worship (highest level of reverence) nor that we have knowledge of that being.

I would say however it's "evidence" but not conclusive evidence of God. It it increases the chance of God existing, but it doesn't prove it. And it doesn't prove there being one eternal god instead of billions or infinite or three or five or ten, etc.

[Puddleglum]

Read what I'm going to write below and tell me who this is talking about.

Has it ever occurred to you that the Gospels, written many decades after the death of Christ by people who didn't know him would be written in such a way so as to make sure they fit the prophesies?

The gospels are full of inaccuracies and downright fabrications. That is provable.

[greneknight]

Read what I'm going to write below and tell me who this is talking about.

Has it ever occurred to you that the Gospels, written many decades after the death of Christ by people who didn't know him would be written in such a way so as to make sure they fit the prophesies?

The gospels are full of inaccuracies and downright fabrications. That is provable.

I totally agree with this.

[Puddleglum]

If one spares the rod He will spoil (or to literally make rotten/decay in the Hebrew) the Child. You will destroy his/her soul.

I'm right then, you are one sick fuck.

And yet Ill bet you don't believe in stoning people to death. Funny how Christians pick and chose from the Old testament.

We do not conceed that "there is no compelling evidence to believe God exists."

You should, because there is no compelling argument. If there was I would be a believer.

Our only task is to point people in the direction to find said evidence on their own when asked.

Then you fail because , inevitably, you point towards a self contradictory book.

You still haven't explained why I shouldn't follow the Koran , it demands the same belief based on nothing.

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I totally agree with this.

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[greneknight]

If one spares the rod He will spoil (or to literally make rotten/decay in the Hebrew) the Child. You will destroy his/her soul.

I'm right then, you are one sick fuck.

And yet Ill bet you don't believe in stoning people to death. Funny how Christians pick and chose from the Old testament.

We do not conceed that "there is no compelling evidence to believe God exists."

You should, because there is no compelling argument. If there was I would be a believer.

Our only task is to point people in the direction to find said evidence on their own when asked.

Then you fail because , inevitably, you point towards a self contradictory book.

You still haven't explained why I shouldn't follow the Koran , it demands the same belief based on nothing.

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I totally agree with this.

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Just did it, puddleglum.