Christians celebrate rape, torture, slavery and genocide.

[Ryantology]

Just be thankful that the Paradigm of Genocide, rape and slaughter ended at the Cross with Old Covenant, and Now Christians are call to forgiveness, and to turn the other cheek. For it is much easier to tap into righteous anger and indignation than it is to forgive. I feel it is twice the effort to turn the other cheek willingly than it takes to strike back. But, because the same God who commanded the Jews to righteously carry out genocide rape, and looting has also called All Christians to follow the example Christ lived.

If you are truly looking to learn then take in the whole picture and not just the bits that you can use to fuel a self righteous attitude.

He condemned mankind to death, privation and misery for the crime of disobedience. He doesn't get away with committing several genocides just because he suddenly became a hippie (who, it must be said, led to the founding of a religion with at least as much blood on its hands as the Old Testament maniac and his mind slaves).

God's forgiveness? That asshole owes US an apology. And thousands of years worth of reparations.

[Drich]

Just be thankful that the Paradigm of Genocide, rape and slaughter ended at the Cross with Old Covenant, and Now Christians are call to forgiveness, and to turn the other cheek. For it is much easier to tap into righteous anger and indignation than it is to forgive. I feel it is twice the effort to turn the other cheek willingly than it takes to strike back. But, because the same God who commanded the Jews to righteously carry out genocide rape, and looting has also called All Christians to follow the example Christ lived.

If you are truly looking to learn then take in the whole picture and not just the bits that you can use to fuel a self righteous attitude.

He condemned mankind to death, privation and misery for the crime of disobedience. He doesn't get away with committing several genocides just because he suddenly became a hippie (who, it must be said, led to the founding of a religion with at least as much blood on its hands as the Old Testament maniac and his mind slaves).

God's forgiveness? That asshole owes US an apology. And thousands of years worth of reparations.

Good luck with that.

[Kirbmarc]

Good luck with that.

It's true, it's hard to track him down, especially because he very likely doesn't exist. Oh well. One less mass murderer to worry about.

[Aroura]

Well, this has got to be one of the most enlightening threads I've ever read. The problem of evil is boiled down to, nothing God can do is evil, because he's God. We puny humans with our puny morals cannot grasp the great goodness of Gods wrath.
I find it highly disturbing the excuses some xtians are willing to make for human suffering. Seriously. Disturbing.

Just be thankful that the Paradigm of Genocide, rape and slaughter ended at the Cross with Old Covenant, and Now Christians are call to forgiveness, and to turn the other cheek. For it is much easier to tap into righteous anger and indignation than it is to forgive. I feel it is twice the effort to turn the other cheek willingly than it takes to strike back. But, because the same God who commanded the Jews to righteously carry out genocide rape, and looting has also called All Christians to follow the example Christ lived.

If you are truly looking to learn then take in the whole picture and not just the bits that you can use to fuel a self righteous attitude.

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I didn't feel self righteous at all in what I said. I said I feel disturbed, and I still do. Disturbed that people defend those actions. Disturbed that I used to buy into Christianity in my own youth, too. It seems to me that is is you who is acting self- righteous, but I accept that as normal for most people, religious or not.

Also, I follow a philosophy that does not require even forgiveness or turning the other cheek. I understand that humans are fallible, so I don't expect them to be perfect, so I don't ever feel the need to forgive people for simply being what they are.

I've already read the bible (repeatedly) and found it much wanting. There are kinder, better philosophies out there.

If you would truly like to learn, I can recommend some reading for you as well. This is pretty short, but I think important if you are actually interested in what I believe, as opposed to what you assume I do.
Tao on forgiveness

[thesummerqueen]

I don't want to be godly righteous. I think we've established why.

[Drich]

I don't feel self righteous at all. I said I feel disturbed, and I still do. Disturbed that people defend those actions. Disturbed that I used to buy into Christianity in my own youth, too.

That 'disturbance' you spoke of comes from something not lining up with your sense of right and wrong. Now because your sense of right and wrong or 'righteousness' is different/seperate from the Righteousness of God it is identified as a personal or Self Righteousness.
This feeling of self righteousness is what i warned you of.

[Something completely different]

Would you please stop using this silly word! What you mean by selfrightousness, and which you talk about in such a garstly way, is simply the human impulse of trying to create a just and reasonable sociaty!

[UngodlyFossil]

Sometimes I think it's not that bad that Christians have this book to keep their psychopathy in check. Especially when they openly admit that they are psychopaths.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BO7l_ax6NM

When it comes to getting morals from a book, I rather stay with Terry Pratchett's "Discworld".

The Patrician took a sip of his beer. “I have told this to few people, gentlemen, and I suspect I never will again, but one day when I was a young boy on holiday in Uberwald I was walking along the bank of a stream when I saw a mother otter with her cubs.
A very endearing sight, I’m sure you will agree, and even as I watched, the mother otter dived into the water and came up with a plump salmon, which she subdued and dragged on to a half-submerged log.
As she ate it, while of course it was still alive, the body split and I remember to this day the sweet pinkness of its roes as they spilled out, much to the delight of the baby otters who scrambled over themselves to feed on the delicacy. One of nature’s wonders, gentlemen: mother and children dining upon mother and children.

And that’s when I first learned about evil. It is built into the very nature of the universe. Every world spins in pain. If there is any kind of supreme being, I told myself, it is up to all of us to become his moral superior.”

-Lord Vetinari in "Unseen Academicals"

[thesummerqueen]

And this is why I love you, my dear.

[UngodlyFossil]

And this is why I love you, my dear.

But also because I'm pretty? [runs]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqRV1l4JOGs