Hell, or rather my brief experience of it.

[The Grand Nudger]

Big douche were you Drich? Amusing how time changes so little eh? I suppose general douchebaggery is another thing I'll have to put on the list of shit god can't do anything about (this list just keeps getting longer.....and longer....).

[LastPoet]

Drich, who the fuck are you to say what my moral standarts are?

[Drich]

Drich, who the fuck are you to say what my moral standarts are?

Is your morality the perfect standard of God?

No?!?!

Then I am a person who can see the sin we incorperate into our standards of morality/Self righteousness and call them out for what they are. as can you if you haven't bought completely into the idea that your morality/self righteousness some how trumps the Righteous standard of God.

[The Grand Nudger]

How very righteous of you, lol. You know you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the situation you find yourself in on this subject. I've rarely seen an atheist have trouble explaining the "somehow"......but I have never seen a believer in fairies field a competent "somehow". Not once, I would really like to see that someday, but alas...I have no faith. Maybe you could handle that for me? No rush, take your time...maybe dream on it....

[Borunel]

Well, this is where we differ. Everything in the Hell revelation was 'new.' <snip>

I guess you have not read my "Messenger/message thread.
http://atheistforums.org/thread-13378.html

Nope, and after your later judgement calls I don't feel inclined to.



Sorry Drich, I initially thought that you were starting a discussion thread but I think this has degenerated into or perhaps always was an attempt at evangelism.

I'm certain that you just had a dream, I'm not sure how you can gain any sort of comfort or joy from dreaming that you had been in the presence of an entity that wants you to act in a particular way or he'll burn you, but whatever floats your boat matey.

Now if you mean to ask is it 'healthy' as a measure of social conformity.

No I didn't - I meant do you think its healthy to feel that you have to be good (or whatever) otherwise you will be punished eternally by someone who is constantly perving over your shoulder? The case is that you ought to be good to the best standards of (humanity/society) simply because it is the right thing to do whether anyone is watching or not.

[Strongbad]

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i posted this on another website and came across it looking for something else. Thought I would share.

This all happened before I was saved. I use to stop breathing while I slept, and I remember one time I was a sleep, but realized I was fairly lucid, but at the same time I could not wake because I had stopped breathing, I remember trying to wake myself, but couldn't. Then I realized I was no longer in my room but at my judgment. I saw a being and immediately fell flat on the ground before Him and he told me not to be afraid and to rise and follow him. I did, to a line of people.(not a long line maybe 10) I saw Jesus welcoming people by name, and again I fell flat on the ground, and my life's events started to recount in my Head. (Before He even got to me)

When He told my neighbor Welcome my good and faithful servant, I knew right then, that was a close as I would ever come to hearing those words spoken to me, then the regret/deep despair begin to sink in. All of scripture made sense, and I knew then my life did not measure up to the standards of being a member of the body. I was helped up and for the briefest of moments I saw in His eyes a glimmer, of what of an eternity of Love with Him could have been, then I saw heart break and disappointment, Then I heard "away from me you wicked servant, I never knew you.."

My heart dropped, Then I pleaded: Lord lord give me one more chance..I fell to His feet and clinched as tightly as I could. swearing allegiance and love. I just needed another chance to prove it.

then either the ground gave way or I was thrown into the pit. I remember falling into a black nothingness, as I traveled away from the light I felt myself being consumed by this Black almost like Hot tar. It was not fire but it invoked the same response as being burned. The panic and hysteria of being consumed lit every nerve ending as if it was being burned by the hottest flame. I could see nothing but heard a great yelling and many many groans of pain from every direction, But only bearly because of my own groans, and screams. (Through all of that I had a sense that these laments were not all human.) All the while falling and being in a great state of panic and pain. Fire, panic and pain are not even strong enough words to describe the intensity of the experience.

That's why when i talk to people about Hell I say the reason the bible uses fire to describe hell it is because Being consumed by fire is the closest thing we can relate to when we are thrown into the void of Hell. Even so fire doesn't even come close. If given the choice I would rather be burned for an eternity by what we know to be fire than experience "Hell fire" ever again.

As the last glimmer of the light was fading The reality of eternity began to set in and all hope quickly faded away. I saw the next step of my journey, and that was in the face of increasing despair, the luxury of the control we have over minds, was soon to be taken from me as well...

It was then I felt a hand grab me, and I began to ascend. the being that pulled me out of the pit told me that this was Only Gates of Hell and what I experiences was only a glimmer of what was to come. He told me that the rest of "this life" was my second Chance that I had asked for, and warned me that all that I experienced awaits me, if I did not know Jesus.

When I awoke I had sweat an outline of my entire body into my mattress and through my comforter.

The experience of Hell didn't change my life, the glimmer of an eternity with the one I love with all of my being did. I realized that Hell is not an incentive for Heaven. Hell is simply the absents of God and all that He created. Being members of Creation We literally burn with desire to be apart of it and with God.

This is what prompts me to ask people, If the descriptions of Heaven and Hell were somehow confused in the Past, and Heaven was a fiery pit (But God lived there.) And Hell was what we know to be Paradise, but God was absent, then would you still want to goto Heaven (The Fiery pit) and burn forever with God?

Those who seek Heaven as their just reward or Choose Heaven because they fear Hell don't understand what Heaven is.

Heaven is being with God no matter what it looks like.

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[Faith No More]

It is appearent you do not understand the answer given. It is impossiable for ANYONE to choose God if God did not first choose them. So for me to say God must have seen something in me worth saving points back to the default reason we All have the same oppertunity to be saved. Their is not 'special' about me or my 'pleading.'

But how does this fit into your argument that god only shows himself to those that seek him, when you went on to describe yourself as "At the time I was an atheist?" Were you or weren't you seeking god when he "showed" himself to you?

[Welsh cake]

Perhaps you felt on some level as a Christian that you did deserve to go to hell thereby explaining the dream - who knows? maybe not even yourself.

At the time I was an Atheist.

You wouldn't have believed an imaginary super-being was going to send you to imaginary place of torment back then, you dumbass.

[Edwardo Piet]

I dreamt Jesus came to take me up into the sky to suck his cock for an eternity. But then I hit Ctrl-Alt-Delete and awoke, and everything was bright and hopeful again.

[Aroura]

At the time I was an Atheist.

Oh noes, another "I used to be an atheist" Christian.

Are there any Christians that come to forums like these that DIDN'T used to be an atheist? Funny, I've known hundreds of Christians in my life, and not one of them "used to be an atheist".

I'd also like to know, if you were an atheist, how were you so familiar with scripture? How come you just accepted your dream as real without any rational, critical, or skeptical thinking? You know, being angry at God or having slight doubts is NOT being an atheist, and you know it. Also, you didn't even look up Sleep Paralysis did you? commonly know scientific phenomena that makes causes waking/lucid dream accompanied by the feeling of a presence (interpreted personally and culturally). 30% of people will have ONE event in their lifetime. That's probably exactly what happened to you, but you are so closed minded you won't even consider it.

Liars for Jesus Annon meeting is starting soon...don't be late.

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It is appearent you do not understand the answer given. It is impossiable for ANYONE to choose God if God did not first choose them. So for me to say God must have seen something in me worth saving points back to the default reason we All have the same oppertunity to be saved. Their is not 'special' about me or my 'pleading.'

But how does this fit into your argument that god only shows himself to those that seek him, when you went on to describe yourself as "At the time I was an atheist?" Were you or weren't you seeking god when he "showed" himself to you?

Wait, I'm so confused now. Is Drich saying that (for instance) I'm an atheist, not by my own choice, but because God hasn't chosen to show himself to me? In that case, how can he send me to hell, if he's showing himself clearly to other people but not to me? Unfair GOD!!

Anyway, I thought you said EARLIER that a person had to be seeking god and open to him in order to find him, not the other way around.

Your story contradicts itself.