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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
November 8, 2012 at 9:29 am
(November 8, 2012 at 1:40 am)Godschild Wrote: (November 6, 2012 at 10:06 am)Gooders1002 Wrote: This is my personal opinion gathered from the words and agreements of Christians on this forum and how there tell us what their god it's like.
This is my view of what Christians believe about their god, them and their book:
1. An all powerful being that can literally go anything.
2. If he does something, it is automatically good and righteous (genocide, murder, rape etc..)
3. He only allows those who follow him without question to experience bliss and there rest get eternal punishment.
4. We are mere property which he can do anything to without punishment.
5. We were all born evil because of two peoples fuck up 6000 years ago.
6. Would be murdering left right and center if it was not for their book and God's word.
7. Would kill on command if it came from their God.
8. Believe (not all) that the earth is and the universe was 6000 years old.
9. Believe that primitive savages have more knowledge about the world then we do now.
Please tell me that you really don't believe this as if you do, you really need to get your head examined by a professional psychiatrist.
Please Christians tell me I am wrong and WHY I am wrong and We all know when you are bullshiting and I prefer if you were completely honest about what you really believe.
After reading this and your other comments it seems to me you insert a lot into what was said and you take out anything good, you show your ignorance of who God is by listening to others and not researching scriptures. Get real and you might be taken seriously.
Sorry But this is all how you sound to me, and you're not doing your faith any favors. Remember I asked you to refute these (which you clearly of not done). I am not asking about the scriptures, I am asking if you believe the points or not. Seriously READ THE F***ING QUESTION.
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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
November 8, 2012 at 8:34 pm
(November 8, 2012 at 9:29 am)Gooders1002 Wrote: (November 8, 2012 at 1:40 am)Godschild Wrote: After reading this and your other comments it seems to me you insert a lot into what was said and you take out anything good, you show your ignorance of who God is by listening to others and not researching scriptures. Get real and you might be taken seriously.
Sorry But this is all how you sound to me, and you're not doing your faith any favors. Remember I asked you to refute these (which you clearly of not done). I am not asking about the scriptures, I am asking if you believe the points or not. Seriously READ THE F***ING QUESTION.
Are you FUCKING SERIOUS?!?!?
You NEVER asked anyone to refute them. I believe everything you wrote...
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November 8, 2012 at 10:05 pm
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You believe some strange stuff then don't ya.
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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
November 9, 2012 at 1:34 am
(November 8, 2012 at 8:34 pm)catfish Wrote: (November 8, 2012 at 9:29 am)Gooders1002 Wrote: Sorry But this is all how you sound to me, and you're not doing your faith any favors. Remember I asked you to refute these (which you clearly of not done). I am not asking about the scriptures, I am asking if you believe the points or not. Seriously READ THE F***ING QUESTION.
Are you FUCKING SERIOUS?!?!?
You NEVER asked anyone to refute them. I believe everything you wrote... Ok why I am wrong then, if are my points accurate to what people (Christians) believe. And if you really believe those 9 points, please for the sake of humanity, go see a psychiatrist.
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Know more about the world than I knew yesterday and lessen the suffering of others. You'd be surprised how far that gets you' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
November 9, 2012 at 2:30 am
(November 6, 2012 at 10:06 am)Gooders1002 Wrote: This is my personal opinion gathered from the words and agreements of Christians on this forum and how there tell us what their god it's like.
This is my view of what Christians believe about their god, them and their book:
1. An all powerful being that can literally go anything.
I suppose you mean do, He can do all things within His righteousness, truth, love and ect.
Gooders Wrote:2. If he does something, it is automatically good and righteous (genocide, murder, rape etc..)
Everything God does is within His righteous will, therefore doing nothing wrong, since you can not see what is to come you want to limit God.
Gooders Wrote:3. He only allows those who follow him without question to experience bliss and there rest get eternal punishment.
Wrong, those who accept Christ as their savior through repentance of sin and follow His teachings the best they can receive eternal life, those who do not receive eternal punishment.
Gooders Wrote:4. We are mere property which he can do anything to without punishment.
How can you logical think God the creator of all things could be punished, and because He fears no punishment means He is above all in righteousness and power. We are not mere property, God created us to love and gave His Son into the hands of evil men to redeem us, seems like we mean more to God than a piece of property.
Gooders Wrote:5. We were all born evil because of two peoples fuck up 6000 years ago.
We are all born with the propensity to sin, yes Adam and Eve brought this on but are not responsible for your sin nor mine.
Gooders Wrote:6. Would be murdering left right and center if it was not for their book and God's word.
I would still be the same low life bastard I was if Christ had not paid the price for me, for that I owe Him my life.
Gooders Wrote:7. Would kill on command if it came from their God.
Yes, however God defeated all with the death and resurrection of Christ, no need for killings.
Gooders Wrote:8. Believe (not all) that the earth is and the universe was 6000 years old.
No, I believe the earth could be 50,000 years old, probably not though.
Gooders Wrote:9. Believe that primitive savages have more knowledge about the world then we do now.
This is a statement you must have dreamed up, we have more knowledge if for no other reason than time, they were probably smarter.
Gooders Wrote:Please tell me that you really don't believe this as if you do, you really need to get your head examined by a professional psychiatrist.
Please Christians tell me I am wrong and WHY I am wrong and We all know when you are bullshiting and I prefer if you were completely honest about what you really believe.
What a sad attempt to get people to agree with you, this stinks of someone who lives in hopelessness.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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November 9, 2012 at 3:17 am
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(November 9, 2012 at 2:30 am)Godschild Wrote: (November 6, 2012 at 10:06 am)Gooders1002 Wrote: This is my personal opinion gathered from the words and agreements of Christians on this forum and how there tell us what their god it's like.
This is my view of what Christians believe about their god, them and their book:
1. An all powerful being that can literally go anything.
I suppose you mean do, He can do all things within His righteousness, truth, love and ect.
Gooders Wrote:2. If he does something, it is automatically good and righteous (genocide, murder, rape etc..)
Everything God does is within His righteous will, therefore doing nothing wrong, since you can not see what is to come you want to limit God.
Just because somebody does something they believe is righteous it does not mean it is right. God is neither good or evil or he is not god. Nor is he always right, he is just god.
Gooders Wrote:3. He only allows those who follow him without question to experience bliss and there rest get eternal punishment.
Wrong, those who accept Christ as their savior through repentance of sin and follow His teachings the best they can receive eternal life, those who do not receive eternal punishment.[/quote]
Can you actually prove this or is it just best guess? And personally after reading the bible I doubt angels in hell would be any different than angels in heaven other than their liberation.
Gooders Wrote:4. We are mere property which he can do anything to without punishment.
How can you logical think God the creator of all things could be punished, and because He fears no punishment means He is above all in righteousness and power. We are not mere property, God created us to love and gave His Son into the hands of evil men to redeem us, seems like we mean more to God than a piece of property.[/quote]
Don't forget he also created us to rape, murder and pillage as many of his followers have and still do to this day. He made you greedy, lustful, envious, lazy don't forget that either because you must accept god had allot of options when making you but he decided to watch us all live in conflict with our own emotions and thoughts.
Gooders Wrote:5. We were all born evil because of two peoples fuck up 6000 years ago.
We are all born with the propensity to sin, yes Adam and Eve brought this on but are not responsible for your sin nor mine. [/quote]
I doubt an apple was the real reason, it was all planned. God knows everything, so he planted that tree knowing they would be tricked and eat the fruit so he can punish them for something that was out of their own control. Otherwise why even add curiosity into our minds or temptation? If we really are created in gods image he is no better than a normal man.
Gooders Wrote:6. Would be murdering left right and center if it was not for their book and God's word.
I would still be the same low life bastard I was if Christ had not paid the price for me, for that I owe Him my life.[/quote]
That I have no doubt in, but your still a low life.
Gooders Wrote:7. Would kill on command if it came from their God.
Yes, however God defeated all with the death and resurrection of Christ, no need for killings. [/quote]
Actually it looks like he got his ass kicked by mortal men and took some time just to regain his composure. Being an immortal being that's not very impressive because he got kicked off the planet.
Gooders Wrote:8. Believe (not all) that the earth is and the universe was 6000 years old.
No, I believe the earth could be 50,000 years old, probably not though.[/quote]
I can't understand basic science and must prevent my children from understanding it.
Gooders Wrote:9. Believe that primitive savages have more knowledge about the world then we do now.
This is a statement you must have dreamed up, we have more knowledge if for no other reason than time, they were probably smarter.[/quote]
Maybe smarter than you.
Gooders Wrote:Please tell me that you really don't believe this as if you do, you really need to get your head examined by a professional psychiatrist.
Please Christians tell me I am wrong and WHY I am wrong and We all know when you are bullshiting and I prefer if you were completely honest about what you really believe.
What a sad attempt to get people to agree with you, this stinks of someone who lives in hopelessness.
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Godschild is never a good source for christian theology as he is on this website so often he must not participate much in his religion.
Nothing personal, just jumping in late to the conversation. Honestly if god was good his angels would never have rebelled, neither would there have been a divine war since he was all knowing.
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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
November 9, 2012 at 4:01 am
(November 9, 2012 at 2:30 am)Godschild Wrote: (November 6, 2012 at 10:06 am)Gooders1002 Wrote: This is my personal opinion gathered from the words and agreements of Christians on this forum and how there tell us what their god it's like.
This is my view of what Christians believe about their god, them and their book:
1. An all powerful being that can literally go anything.
I suppose you mean do, He can do all things within His righteousness, truth, love and ect. Truth maybe, love pushing it.
Quote:Gooders Wrote:2. If he does something, it is automatically good and righteous (genocide, murder, rape etc..)
Everything God does is within His righteous will, therefore doing nothing wrong, since you can not see what is to come you want to limit God. Does not look like it to me, i see them as the worst type of person I the world.
Quote:Gooders Wrote:3. He only allows those who follow him without question to experience bliss and there rest get eternal punishment.
Wrong, those who accept Christ as their savior through repentance of sin and follow His teachings the best they can receive eternal life, those who do not receive eternal punishment. So basically yes
Quote:Gooders Wrote:4. We are mere property which he can do anything to without punishment.
How can you logical think God the creator of all things could be punished, and because He fears no punishment means He is above all in righteousness and power. We are not mere property, God created us to love and gave His Son into the hands of evil men to redeem us, seems like we mean more to God than a piece of property. Who says he is the only one? If you read the history of the bible, Your god, Yahweh is one of many gods.
Quote:Gooders Wrote:5. We were all born evil because of two peoples fuck up 6000 years ago.
We are all born with the propensity to sin, yes Adam and Eve brought this on but are not responsible for your sin nor mine. So they are fucking up and now were flawed way, to go. You would think God would have forseen this and not put the tree their.
Quote:Gooders Wrote:6. Would be murdering left right and center if it was not for their book and God's word.
I would still be the same low life bastard I was if Christ had not paid the price for me, for that I owe Him my life. So the only thing stopping you from being mass murder is Jesus?
Quote:Gooders Wrote:7. Would kill on command if it came from their God.
Yes, however God defeated all with the death and resurrection of Christ, no need for killings. You would be sent to the looney house forever if you did that, if a voice in my head told me to kill, I would tell it to fuck off and I would go and see a psychiatrist.
Quote:Gooders Wrote:8. Believe (not all) that the earth is and the universe was 6000 years old.
No, I believe the earth could be 50,000 years old, probably not though Your still out by alot, were you out by the same degree as saying LA is 1/2 mile from NY.
Quote:Gooders Wrote:9. Believe that primitive savages have more knowledge about the world then we do now.
This is a statement you must have dreamed up, we have more knowledge if for no other reason than time, they were probably smarter. Right, so how come everything they ever said about anything that is testable is 100% wrong.
Gooders Wrote:Please tell me that you really don't believe this as if you do, you really need to get your head examined by a professional psychiatrist.
Please Christians tell me I am wrong and WHY I am wrong and We all know when you are bullshiting and I prefer if you were completely honest about what you really believe.
What a sad attempt to get people to agree with you, this stinks of someone who lives in hopelessness.
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I am not trying to get people to agree with me at all, Feel free to disagree and tell me where I am wrong about my beliefs about what Christians believe. And I am seeing just how sane the worlds Christians are (especially in the USA), and so far you have made me completely lose all hope in humanity. At Least American Christians (don't worry I have lost faith in Muslims along time ago).
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Know more about the world than I knew yesterday and lessen the suffering of others. You'd be surprised how far that gets you' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
November 9, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Quote:No, I believe the earth could be 50,000 years old, probably not though.
Good. Then you're wrong. There is a staggering amount of evidence against this claim, and even most Christians now don't believe that the earth is so young.
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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
November 9, 2012 at 12:19 pm
(November 7, 2012 at 11:19 am)John V Wrote: Wow...are you seriously comparing Harry Potter to Shakespeare?
No, he's comparing it to your fucking bible. Unfavorably.
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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
November 9, 2012 at 6:28 pm
(November 9, 2012 at 4:01 am)Gooders1002 Wrote: Who says he is the only one? If you read the history of the bible, Your god, Yahweh is one of many gods. What are you referring to here? The Bible teaches that Yahweh is the only God.
Isaiah 43:10–13 (RSV) — 10 “You are my witnesses,” says the LORD, “and my servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe me and understand that I am He. Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me.11 I, I am the LORD, and besides me there is no savior.12 I declared and saved and proclaimed, when there was no strange god among you; and you are my witnesses,” says the LORD.13 “I am God, and also henceforth I am He; there is none who can deliver from my hand; I work and who can hinder it?”
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