God is above conventional reason

[Zone]

Man, you atheists have to stop reading literally...

Is there an edition of the Bible where all the metaphorical and literal historical events are labelled so we can tell them apart?

[CleanShavenJesus]

Did somebody say that there were no controdictions in the Bible?

Please, tell me that's a joke.

Here's a FEW. There are hundreds.

1KI 4:26 And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen.

2CH 9:25 And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem.

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PSA 92:12: "The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree."

ISA 57:1: "The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart."

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MAT 27:46,50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."

LUK 23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."

JOH 19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."

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GAL 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

GAL 6:5 For every man shall bear his own burden.

[fr0d0]

Absolutely and always

You read them all equally with the same amount of non-bias as you read the Bible? I'm doubting you did.

Of course? Why doubt??

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Man, you atheists have to stop reading literally...

Is there an edition of the Bible where all the metaphorical and literal historical events are labelled so we can tell them apart?

Here's a tip: If everything in it were allegorical, it would carry exactly the same meaning.

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Follow the timeline... "Them" was created before Eve supposedly was.

What, giant ants? Regardless, this would be in the first Genesis account, yes? The one which has humans created before animals, instead of afterwards as in Gen 2? Not to mention having plants created before humans, which makes the second creation of them after humans in Gen 2 a little redundant.

Taken literally, like the fundies do, yes.

Do we have atheist fundie badges??

[ThomM]

Here is a MUCH better contradiction in the bible

There are TWO different BLOOD lines for the christ in the bible

In Those times - the belief was that a Man supplied a seed - and planted it into a woman - and the seed contained the whole basis for the child - even the woman's blood did not enter the child which has its own. So - ONLY males could be considered to be in the blood line

The blood line in Matthew 1 shows that Jesus descended through a cursed line?21 Jeconiah (Jehoiachin) and his father Jehoiakim were both cursed by God himself, who said that neither of these men would have any descendent on the throne of David.(Jeremiah 22:30) How could Jesus possibly be the Messiah, destined to rule forever on the throne of David, if he descended through either of these men?

2 Samuel 7:12-13 - says that the messiah will be a descendant from the house of David.


However - the BIG contradiction is that BOTH blood lines go through JOSEPH
The bible is clear that Joseph had NO marital relations with Mary before the christ was born. (Matthew 1:25)

OF course - the bible ALSO says that Mary was impregnated by the Holy Spirit - and had NO human father - so NO human blood line at all.

Since the messiah was to be a descendant of the house of David - and the christ was NOT - he cannot be the messiah either.

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You do realise that A&E were commanded to replenish the Earth too?
Man, you atheists have to stop reading literally...
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THANK YOU for agreeing with ME -

THE BIBLE is not literally the word of a god - nor is a god literally a real being - nor is the christ literally a real person -

IT is ALL MYTH and LEGEND

THANK you for pointing that out

[catfish]

THANK YOU for agreeing with ME -

THE BIBLE is not literally the word of a god - nor is a god literally a real being - nor is the christ literally a real person -

IT is ALL MYTH and LEGEND

THANK you for pointing that out

Thank you for misrepresenting my words...

I think you lied about being agnostic, you seem pretty dame sure over there...

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Oh yeah, I'm a Christian and I reject all that "born of a virgin" pagan crap.
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[ThomM]

[quote='ThomM' pid='403482' dateline='1361230186']THANK YOU for agreeing with ME -

THE BIBLE is not literally the word of a god - nor is a god literally a real being - nor is the christ literally a real person -

IT is ALL MYTH and LEGEND

THANK you for pointing that out

Thank you for misrepresenting my words...

I think you lied about being agnostic, you seem pretty dame sure over there...




YOU do not actually understand that word AGNOSTIC then.
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One does not have to allow for a particular MYTH to be true in order to allow for the possibility of a higher power. Obviously - theists do not allow for the existence of ALL The claimed gods ever named for the same reason.

Me pointing out that the bible has turned out to be a collection of fairy tales - and that all it is - is religious MYTH - is equivalent to YOU saying the same thing about Allah and Islam. And both statements are true.
Both religions are nonsense.

YOUR problem is that YOU assume it is only YOUR belief - or none - and nothing else. With the tens of thousands of named gods - why is it not possible that ALL of them are wrong - but a higher power ONCE might have existed - but either no longer does - or is nothing like those of current myths?

[Question Mark]

Man, you atheists have to stop reading literally...

Really? Frankly it seems to be the only fair way, since if we read it metaphorically or from some philosophical point of view, the bible can say anything and everything, whilst also saying the exact opposite ten times over.

[Nobody]

God is above conventional reason?

Anyone who reads the old testament scriptures that describes god's personality, from Genesis on, realize rather quickly he's not reasonable at all.
In fact, he would be considered the universal sinner, the most prolific serial killer in the history of all time, the most egoistic, narcissistic, sadistic sociopath ever to make a record of his innumerable offenses that include; mass murder, and accomplice to rape, infanticide, matricide and assault.

When he's considered to be the 'king of heaven', he's a deviant sadist that exacts global terrorism, examples depraved indifference, and if he materialized today as Jesus before a court of law in an American State wherein capital punishment was on the books, he'd be on death row and executed in either a civilian court or after adjudication by a military tribunal.
He makes the mafia, the Yakuzza, al-Qaeda,Hezbollah, and every known (and unknown) terrorist organization on the planet look like amateurs.

God is above conventional thought"? Are you kidding? Sheep are led to believe he wrote a book so as to show the world exactly how he thinks.

And when it comes to body counts in the course of that, he should have thought more of himself than to have made a scriptural record of acquiring more body counts in the name of his kind of evil, than his own created adversary whom he works as an accomplice and named 'ha Satan!', just so he'd have a something to play terrestrial 3-D chess with in the game of , 'good vs. evil' , using humans, born to be losers by his will before they even knew what the game was about, as pawns.

If that kind of "god" is a supreme being, then worms are ranked qualified to be equal to Buddha.

I've been reading many topics on this site and time and time again, atheists like to speak of "proof" and "reason".

The only problem with this is that God is above these things. These are human terms, thought of by humans, and decided among non-believers to be the thing to look for.

How can we use these man-made methods to measure the existence of the Creator that created us? There's no logic in that. God, and all things about Him, are above our minds and our conventional ways of thinking.

We use these ways of thinking on everything around us, literally speaking, but how are we supposed to use them on a GOD, something the human mind even has difficulty comprehending, something totally above us. We can't.

[Atothetheist]

I've been reading many topics on this site and time and time again, atheists like to speak of "proof" and "reason".

The only problem with this is that God is above these things. These are human terms, thought of by humans, and decided among non-believers to be the thing to look for.

How can we use these man-made methods to measure the existence of the Creator that created us? There's no logic in that. God, and all things about Him, are above our minds and our conventional ways of thinking.

We use these ways of thinking on everything around us, literally speaking, but how are we supposed to use them on a GOD, something the human mind even has difficulty comprehending, something totally above us. We can't.

Who says we can't? Why is God above those things? Let me ask you something, does your "God" commit miracles? If so, than he can be scientifically analyzed, or at least the miracle itself can, thus presenting proof. Everything that exists is not ABOVE proof. Proof is evidence towards a notion.

Why is GOD above proof? Doesn't he exist? Doesn't he commit miracles? Didn't be dictate/inspire (a) Holy Book/s? Miracles and, if the case is strong enough, Holy Books are all "PROOFS" of a deities existence, thus making your assertion kind of stupid.

And, if I may be so blunt, I can bet your sweet ass that your only saying this because there is no proof or logical for a God's existence. If there was proof, I bet you would be swinging it around and shouting it from the top of your lungs. But, because there is no proof of such a thing, you have to make the case that "God" is above these things.


Nonsense.

[ThomM]

I've been reading many topics on this site and time and time again, atheists like to speak of "proof" and "reason".

The only problem with this is that God is above these things. These are human terms, thought of by humans, and decided among non-believers to be the thing to look for.

How can we use these man-made methods to measure the existence of the Creator that created us? There's no logic in that. God, and all things about Him, are above our minds and our conventional ways of thinking.

We use these ways of thinking on everything around us, literally speaking, but how are we supposed to use them on a GOD, something the human mind even has difficulty comprehending, something totally above us. We can't.

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Who says we can't? Why is God above those things? Let me ask you something, does your "God" commit miracles? If so, than he can be scientifically analyzed, or at least the miracle itself can, thus presenting proof. Everything that exists is not ABOVE proof. Proof is evidence towards a notion.

Why is GOD above proof? Doesn't he exist? Doesn't he commit miracles? Didn't be dictate/inspire (a) Holy Book/s? Miracles and, if the case is strong enough, Holy Books are all "PROOFS" of a deities existence, thus making your assertion kind of stupid.

And, if I may be so blunt, I can bet your sweet ass that your only saying this because there is no proof or logical for a God's existence. If there was proof, I bet you would be swinging it around and shouting it from the top of your lungs. But, because there is no proof of such a thing, you have to make the case that "God" is above these things.


Nonsense.

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Actually - gods do exist - lots of them

They are proven ONLY to be fictional beings made up by humans for their religious myths and legends.

And the reason WHY they are above proofs and reason is because they lack the one thing that proof and reason requires - reality.

That they are "named" alone means that they actually exist. Leprechauns, imps, ogres, fairies, angels, devils, and klingons are similar. That there are named defines their existence - even if they lack reality.