Religion and LGBT people

[CleanShavenJesus]

The Bible clearly states that is a sin to a lie with another man. Yet homosexuals don't choose to be homosexual, they are born homosexual. So God screwed them over? What, is it some kind of sick and twisted test to see if they can turn themselves straight?

Your God is one fucked up dude.

[John V]

The Bible clearly states that is a sin to a lie with another man. Yet homosexuals don't choose to be homosexual, they are born homosexual.

Can you prove that?

The modern western mainstream paradigm of sexuality is modern and western, and serves a political purpose.

[catfish]

He must have faith in the "gay" gene... He knows it's there, even though he doesn't have proof, he just has faith...
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[Question Mark]

Let's just get this crap out of the way. It's because people have been reading the bible for centuries, interpreting it to be against homosexuality, and just about every other form of sexuality, without reason. That's the end of it.

[Zone]

The modern western mainstream paradigm of sexuality is modern and western, and serves a political purpose.

You may as well say people decide their height for a political purpose. People aren't born with that that height of course but it does develop naturally as they enter maturity. No-one sits down one day and decides they would like to be 6ft 2. And there isn't a 6ft 2 gene you can point out it's a complex combination of factors.

[John V]

You may as well say people decide their height for a political purpose. People aren't born with that that height of course but it does develop naturally as they enter maturity. No-one sits down one day and decides they would like to be 6ft 2. And there isn't a 6ft 2 gene you can point out it's a complex combination of factors.

Apparently you have no proof either.

[Question Mark]

The modern take on sexuality, any sexuality, is that it is determined by a combination of genetics, brain structure, and environmental pressures. It's no one thing. Almost all respectable medical organisations that study the subject agree that sexual orientation is a natural, intrinsic aspect of individual people. It can't be chosen, and the mere fact that people are just now beginning to politically fight for equality does not make orientation political in its nature. That would be something that requires proving.

[catfish]

The modern western mainstream paradigm of sexuality is modern and western, and serves a political purpose.

You may as well say people decide their height for a political purpose. People aren't born with that that height of course but it does develop naturally as they enter maturity. No-one sits down one day and decides they would like to be 6ft 2. And there isn't a 6ft 2 gene you can point out it's a complex combination of factors.

So, you claim there's no 6'2" gene, right?
Are you then implying that being gay doesn't have a gene either? That's it is also a complex combination of factors? Like say, 1 from a set of identical twins come out of the womb as gay and the other straight might be caused if one of them had a penis or vag in their face for 4-6 months?

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The modern take on sexuality, any sexuality, is that it is determined by a combination of genetics, brain structure, and environmental pressures. It's no one thing. Almost all respectable medical organisations that study the subject agree that sexual orientation is a natural, intrinsic aspect of individual people. It can't be chosen, and the mere fact that people are just now beginning to politically fight for equality does not make orientation political in its nature. That would be something that requires proving.

Do you have proof that genetics are a contributing factor?
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[Question Mark]

You mean like a gay gene? No. The modern take on the somewhat misleadingly named "gay gene", is not a part of the genetic code from before conception, that is to say, in the sperm and the egg. What apparently is there is the potential for orientation to shift during development when one factors in the other aspects like environmental pressures and brain structure.

I've never seen a journal or paper announcing the discovery of a gene passed directly from the parent that pronounces before conception that the future child will be gay, bi, lesbian, transgender, &c.

The fact of the matter is that the orientation of a person however is intrinsic to them, it can't be changed, or if it can, not without harm to the individual.

[Ryantology]

Do you have proof that genetics are a contributing factor?
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http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2...120612.php