Religion and LGBT people

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Sorry it took me a while to return to the thread.

I think we have very much reached the end of useful discussion, here. The longer these threads go on, the more they just become therapy threads for certain people to use to rant and rave at the world (we have seen this in part already).

To briefly sum up my contribution:

- Mainstream Christianity does not "hate" LGBT people at the thread title suggested.

Where in this thread title is that suggested?
("Religion and LGBT people")

In reality, it fully acknowledges the dignity and worth of such people. However, it does have a fully informed view about human sexuality. Some people like to pretend that being honest about human sexuality is "bigoted" or "homophobic" - but this childish name calling is only bcause they have nothing more valid to say.

I conceed that the behaviour of some minor protestant Christian sects is unfair and hateful towards homosexual people. This is of course unacceptable, but we should be careful not form a false view of Christianity based on these irrelevant people.

In point of fact you can not speak to all sects of Christianity and how those sects have addressed homosexuality.
However, being you are described on your profile as a Catholic, you may be presumed to know how the Catholic holy father feels about homosexuality. And as such that may then be inferred to be the opinion of many Catholics as they must abide by what the Pope decrees in the name of the faith.

"Although the particular inclination of the homosexual person is not a sin, it is more or less strong tendency ordered to an intrinsic moral evil, and thus the inclination itself must be seen as an objective disorder." Pope Benedict XVI

"We must have great respect for these people who also suffer and who want to find their own way of correct living. On the other hand, to create a legal form of a kind of homosexual marriage, in reality, does not help these people." Pope Benedict XVI


Reuters Article: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope
As this discussion also appeared on these forums. Link

- Catholic teaching is not responsible for HIV in Africa or elsewhere. I have posted fully referenced data which shows that (i) In the west, its gay men who proliferate HIV, and (ii) in the devleoped world it is non-Catholics. Neither of these groups is known for their close adherence to Catholic teaching. It is very telling that, the groups who sexual behaviour is most removed from Catholic teaching, are the groups worst affected by HIV.

That is not true.

Pope rejects condoms for Africa
Speaking to African bishops at the Vatican, the Pope described HIV/Aids in Africa as a "cruel epidemic".

But he told them: "The traditional teaching of the church has proven to be the only failsafe way to prevent the spread of HIV/Aids."

More than 60% of the world's 40m people with HIV live in sub-Saharan Africa.

In South Africa alone, 600-1,000 people are thought to die every day because of Aids.

It is a malicious lie that Catholic teaching is responsible, usually put about by those with something to hide themselves. Global public health experts agree with the fundamentals of Catholic teaching and have stated that Catholic teaching is supported by empirical data.

The malicious lie would be to avow an absolute such as this when the evidence available from the Popes own words refutes it.

These above are the main two points I wanted to express, above.

Your points are intellectually dishonest based on the evidence.

I also noticed the following question:

Why did God make gay people?

No-one is meant to be gay. We all have heterosexual bodies, intended for heterosexual sex. Its just like when Ford or Nissan have to recall cars , because some issue or fault has been found. They didnt mean to make cars with a fault, it just happened. Something went wrong and a different result occurred. So too with homosexuality.

"Although the particular inclination of the homosexual person is not a sin, it is more or less strong tendency ordered to an intrinsic moral evil, and thus the inclination itself must be seen as an objective disorder." Pope Benedict XVI

I have also seen people writing about gay peole "going to hell".

Mainstream Chrsitianity does not suggest gay people are 'going to hell' purely for being who they are. I dont really know where misconceptions like this come from - its good to know what you are talking about, before weighing in on any subject lol!

That's a convoluted way of proving you don't know what you're saying when you say such things about mainstream Christianity. (Not speaking of Catholicism here)
According to Christian doctrine people are bear a sin nature. Who they are is sinners, until they are redeemed, if they seek to be redeemed and change their lives renouncing their sins.
Therefore, the bible of mainstream Christians does suggest, even declare, that homosexuality is an abomination. And homosexuality itself, per Romans 1:26-27, is a continual rebellion against god.

Homosexuality is not a greater sin than any other however, it is considered immoral and unnatural and a perversion of god's natural creation or natural order and as such homosexuals, who do not repent and cease in the commission of that abomination of homosexual sex, will go to hell. They will not inherit the kingdom of god.
(1 Corinthians 6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality.)
Therefore a person can not be a practicing homosexual, they can not call themselves a homosexual (sexually active) and a Christian and truly be approved by god. Because the bible says god hates workers of iniquity.Psalm 5:5.The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

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Well, we REALLY don't know why theists want to kill them

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