Pope candidate Cardinal Turkson: Pedophilia is a white thing

[Esquilax]

Hey Gabriel? Grow up.

Honestly, I'm now convinced that you're no longer worth a point by point deconstruction. You're just an awful, bigoted troll, and I'm done caring about your ignorant opinions.

Grow the fuck up.

[CapnAwesome]

I don't actually care too much about whom they elect as Pope. I do think that blog is poorly sourced, but the irony of Gabriel being a stickler for primary sources is razor sharp. If you really are that concerned about primary sources you'd have to throw out the Gospels.

[Ziploc Surprise]

Gabriel, I know I posted about a blog but I verified the information from legitimate news sources before I posted here. I chose to post the blog because it was better worded and it was short. I could have presented an argument and posted a number of quotes to back up what I said but I didn't think it was necessary when a blog said it better than I could. The quotes and their contexts aren't hard to find.

This being said, the horror that an asshole like that could even be considered a candidate for pope leaves me almost speechless.

[Gabriel Syme]

Hey Gabriel? Grow up.

Honestly, I'm now convinced that you're no longer worth a point by point deconstruction. You're just an awful, bigoted troll, and I'm done caring about your ignorant opinions.

Grow the fuck up.

Hi Esquilax,

It is sad to see you resort to this intellectual cowardice when presented with the truth. You seem quite intelligent as well.

I know it must be comforting or affirming for many people to pretend things - ludicrous, demonstrably false things (such as it supports killing gay people) - about the Catholic Church, but ultimately people will only be happy if they can reconcile themselves with reality.

Why waste your time and energies with snide, made-up articles from partisan websites who only seek to delude you?

Why would any intelligent or rational person want to get themselves all worked up about the contents of such a transparent and false article?

It is worthwhile reading only for those who live in a fantasy world and require a constant feed of such make-believe to keep up the illusion.

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Gabriel, I know I posted about a blog but I verified the information from legitimate news sources before I posted here.

Then could you please post a link, from a legitimate news source, which reports that Ghanaian Cardinal Peter Turkson supports efforts made by non-Catholics, in another country, to kill gay people purely for being gay?

The story is make-believe. For a start, the Catholic Church strongly opposes the concept of a judicial death penalty, in any and all cases.

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I don't actually care too much about whom they elect as Pope. I do think that blog is poorly sourced, but the irony of Gabriel being a stickler for primary sources is razor sharp. If you really are that concerned about primary sources you'd have to throw out the Gospels.

Hi CapnAwesome,

You wouldn't have to throw out the gospels, any more than you would graeco-roman biographies, or indeed probably the majority of surviving documents of that era in time.

Even documents from much more recent in history are known to contain 2nd hand information or exaggeration. For example, the Battle of Bannockburn (1314) was one of the single most significant events in Scottish History, and yet we cannot even state the dispositions of the opposing armies with any great accuracy (estimate vary wildly, by several hundred percent, on each side).

I am well aware that some of these problems naturally affect documents about early Christianity too. However, the general consensus in academia accepting the historicity of the man Christ, and several key events relating to the lifetime, is good enough for me, to demonstrate that Christianity is not an invention.

Of course, agreement that a man named Jesus Christ lived does not represent evidence for the remarkable claims made about him, but it does frame questions relating to Christianity in a different light.

Its not really surprising for me, the quality of documentary evidence relating to early Christianity - it was, after all, chiefly an oral tradition given (even under Roman rule) at that time, only about 3% of Jews would have been literate and so books were useless to them.

I wouldn't say its ironic that I am interested in primary sources - the gospels are not malicious lies designed to upset people and defame others, in the same way that the linked LGBT blog articles are.

[Ziploc Surprise]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/13...77261.html

[Ryantology]

the gospels are not malicious lies designed to upset people and defame others

So, your way of showing that you aren't ironic is to just be outright incorrect?

[Gabriel Syme]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/13...77261.html

The huffingtonpost is not a serious new website.

Its is news-entertainment.

(just like how American wrestling is sports-entertainment, not "sport").

The article you post comes from a section "gay voices".

Another of its headlines is "is this harlem shake video anti-gay?"

Serious news, huh?

I clicked on the authors name and some of her other "serious news" work includes articles called:

" Did Justin Timberlake Respond To Kanye West's 'Suit & Tie' Dig During 'SNL' Gig"

"Lindsay Lohan Offered House Arrest Deal"

Those crazy celebrities, huh? I am glad the serious HuffPo keeps us up to date on them.

Anyway, what does the article say?

It says:

One of the frontrunners to succeed Pope Benedict XVI has defended anti-gay legislation like Uganda's so-called "Kill the Gays" bill.

Laws "like" the kill the gays bill. So, uh, not the kill the gays bill?

Again it only mentions the "kill the gays" bill, not because Turkson has any connection with it, but to try to smear him by association.

To justify these lies, the author gives the quote where Turkson advises forming an understanding of why gay people face stigmatisation in parts of Africa.

You know, the quote where he doesnt defend any anti-gay laws , only advises trying to understand why people want to introduce them in the first place.

The Huffington Post is drivel for the simple minded. It employs all the usual liberal, "progressive" tactics of lieing about people who have a different point of view. This is what certain people do, when they know they cannot defeat their opponents arguments.

It doesnt report the news, it reports what certain people want to hear. Gay people want to hear that the Catholic Church is bad, so they can feel better about themselves and ignore what it says.

No rational, intelligent person would ever believe that a Cardinal of the Catholic Church was, in 2013, advocating that people should be executed simply for who they are. Respect for all human life is a basic principle of Christianity and Cardinal do not go around openly disagreeing with such.

The existence of articles like this demonstrates either how stupid the Huffpo readership is, or how eager they are to knowingly accept lies about people they already dislike. (probably both).

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the gospels are not malicious lies designed to upset people and defame others

So, your way of showing that you aren't ironic is to just be outright incorrect?

What is incorrect about my statement above?

Whether you accept them as genuine, or not, there is no denying that my statement about the gospels which you quoted is 100% correct.

[Something completely different]

The huffingtonpost is not a serious new website.

Its is news-entertainment.

(just like how American wrestling is sports-entertainment, not "sport").

The article you post comes from a section "gay voices".

You have no idea of media and journalism do you?!
There is no such thing as "newsentertainment"!!! I dont know if you got that term from a catholic conspiracy theory wackjob page or cooked it up in your own deluded mind to make things not look as bad as they are.

Fact is that papers did evolve with arrival of the internet.
From reporting on cold basic facts most journals and papers now write opinion columbs.
This doesnt change the fact that the journalists have to use proper researched material for their job.

And if a homosexual writes a columb on the subject of homosexuality to defend gay rights, this does certainly not discredit the article in any way!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Exactly the opposite! It gives the articlemore credibility since a homosexual or advocate for equal rights will give better and more sincere imput! The one I wouldnt trust is the one who writes with homophobic intentions!!!

Or do you want to live in some orwellian dystopia in which articles about subjects worth criticising about an organisation are only writed by that organisation?

Maybe you do. and then you are a fshist scumbag!!

Another of its headlines is "is this harlem shake video anti-gay?"

Serious news, huh?

Why should that not be asked!? with the modern possibilities of spreading information quickly and writing and publishing stuff in a short time - all kinds of subjects will find themselves writen about.

The Huffington post is also a paper which recently gained a pulizer prize for it`s good journalism.
So whom do I trust more, a criticaly acclaimed paper which gained the highest award given for journalists.

Or a ctholic nobody who tries hopelessly to defend an organisation which raped kids and therefor is in it`s deepest scandel it ever had.

I clicked on the authors name and some of her other "serious news" work includes articles called:

" Did Justin Timberlake Respond To Kanye West's 'Suit & Tie' Dig During 'SNL' Gig"

"Lindsay Lohan Offered House Arrest Deal"

Those crazy celebrities, huh? I am glad the serious HuffPo keeps us up to date on them.

Why not?!

Even the most serious papers have celebrety segments

Anyway, what does the article say?

It says:

Wow, you can actualy read!

One of the frontrunners to succeed Pope Benedict XVI has defended anti-gay legislation like Uganda's so-called "Kill the Gays" bill.

Laws "like" the kill the gays bill. So, uh, not the kill the gays bill?

Again it only mentions the "kill the gays" bill, not because Turkson has any connection with it, but to try to smear him by association.

To justify these lies, the author gives the quote where Turkson advises forming an understanding of why gay people face stigmatisation in parts of Africa.

You know, the quote where he doesnt defend any anti-gay laws , only advises trying to understand why people want to introduce them in the first place.

even biased christian papers show the vaticans possition on this law:

http://global.christianpost.com/news/pop...ill-86667/

and every single other newsblog reports the same:

http://www.care2.com/causes/ugandan-cath...vived.html

http://www.religiondispatches.org/dispat...-gay_bill/

http://www.catholic.org/international/in...&wf=rsscol

even the blog of an organisation trying to bring gays and catholics clearly shows what the matter is:

http://newwaysministryblog.wordpress.com...-gay-bill/

So yeah, I take the word of serious blogs over your conspiracy nonsence!

But I am not supprised, it is your church and it`s wicked verbal treatment of the jews, by spreading myths over jewish conspiracies to murder christian children - that laid the seed for antisemitism everywhere.

Probably that same drive to creat conspiracies is still within the catholic church and it`s members!

The Huffington Post is drivel for the simple minded. It employs all the usual liberal, "progressive" tactics of lieing about people who have a different point of view. This is what certain people do, when they know they cannot defeat their opponents arguments.

Point out where they lie.

If you can!

SHUT UP!!! AND DONT LIE YOURSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It doesnt report the news, it reports what certain people want to hear. Gay people want to hear that the Catholic Church is bad, so they can feel better about themselves and ignore what it says.

The huffington has a leftwing bias -which doesnt discredit it`s newsreports aslong as opinions on facts are reported!!!!!!!!!

Do you think a gayperson would rather hear from some wicked 80 old virgin how moraly bankrupt he is!!!

NO! You are disgusting! Behaving as if you and your church were the only moral authoritie on earth and the only ones deciding what can be true and a lie on the basis of what you approve of and what not!!!!
I dispise and hate such disgusting intolerance and arrogance, and this dispicable drive to totalitarianism!!!

No rational, intelligent person would ever believe that a Cardinal of the Catholic Church was, in 2013, advocating that people should be executed simply for who they are. Respect for all human life is a basic principle of Christianity and Cardinal do not go around openly disagreeing with such.

The "kill the gays" bill has been changed to only include a prison sentence.
You would know that if you would have done your resear you moron!

And why not!?

It was a pope who uplifted the excomunication of a holocaust denier!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Wil...n_(bishop)

The existence of articles like this demonstrates either how stupid the Huffpo readership is, or how eager they are to knowingly accept lies about people they already dislike. (probably both).

AGAIN!! prove where those lies are!!!

And people have a right to voice their opinion and the huffington post is an opinion paper!!!!!

If you dont like a diverse array of opnions, especialy if you dont like them because they disagree with your worldview, then leave your democracy and go to your totalitarian catholic state!

[Justtristo]

I am hoping this guy becomes the next pope, so that decline of the catholic church be furthered accelerated.

[Ryantology]

What is incorrect about my statement above?

Whether you accept them as genuine, or not, there is no denying that my statement about the gospels which you quoted is 100% correct.

Everything is incorrect. The gospels are a malicious lie designed to upset people and defame those who are not upset enough to get on board with the program.

Respect for all human life is a basic principle of Christianity.

This is also completely false. Contempt for human life is a basic principle of humanity. We're all hopeless, broken sinners who, without God, would be savage and immoral beasts.