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RE: Why is belief in a higher power required?
June 20, 2013 at 7:24 pm
(June 20, 2013 at 6:28 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Where have I ever appealed to personal revelation or experience? Please stop misrepresenting my position.
You basing everything on what's written in a work of ancient fiction based upon tales and myths told by word of mouth for centuries before they were committed to paper and edited countless times since, a narrative with no consistency or demonstrable basis in reality. You think that makes you better than Drich, who swears by the efficacy of revelation? I'm sorry that I assumed you were a Christian.
Quote:If you’re going to take this line of reasoning, then how can any reliable truth be obtained from anything you perceive through your senses?
I can't, until I corroborate the information with other people and until my claim is thoroughly tested and verified. In many cases, that does not lead to the truth, but it does put one as close to it as we can possibly get. Until then, I have nothing even close to knowledge.
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RE: Why is belief in a higher power required?
June 20, 2013 at 7:24 pm
(June 20, 2013 at 7:11 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: …and what does that prove about God?
What Maelstrom said: he is a dick
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RE: Why is belief in a higher power required?
June 20, 2013 at 7:33 pm
(June 20, 2013 at 7:24 pm)Ryantology Wrote: You basing everything on what's written in a work of ancient fiction based upon tales and myths told by word of mouth for centuries before they were committed to paper and edited countless times since, a narrative with no consistency or demonstrable basis in reality. You think that makes you better than Drich, who swears by the efficacy of revelation? I'm sorry that I assumed you were a Christian.
I do not base my beliefs off of any such work; I base them off of the infallible word of God. If you’re going to assume scripture is not the word of God a priori, then I have every right to assume it is the word of God a priori, fair is fair.
Quote:I can't, until I corroborate the information with other people and until my claim is thoroughly tested and verified. In many cases, that does not lead to the truth, but it does put one as close to it as we can possibly get. Until then, I have nothing even close to knowledge.
How do you know that you have collaborated with other people and tested the information? Did you not perceive this collaboration and testing also through your senses?
(June 20, 2013 at 7:24 pm)Rationalman Wrote: What Maelstrom said: he is a dick
How does it prove that?
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RE: Why is belief in a higher power required?
June 20, 2013 at 7:41 pm
Statler Waldorf Wrote:I do not base my beliefs off of any such work; I base them off of the infallible word of God. If you’re going to assume scripture is not the word of God a priori, then I have every right to assume it is the word of God a priori, fair is fair.
Oh? Could you please give us your a priori reasoning for thinking it to be the infallible word of God?
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RE: Why is belief in a higher power required?
June 20, 2013 at 7:51 pm
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(June 20, 2013 at 7:41 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: Oh? Could you please give us your a priori reasoning for thinking it to be the infallible word of God?
Did you not know it just is? You have to just accept it without question, because goodness forbid you use your mind for anything besides blind subservience to an invisible man in the sky.
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RE: Why is belief in a higher power required?
June 20, 2013 at 7:54 pm
(June 20, 2013 at 7:33 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: (June 20, 2013 at 7:24 pm)Rationalman Wrote: What Maelstrom said: he is a dick
How does it prove that?
Slavery, rape, genocide, murder. All of it, God approved.
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RE: Why is belief in a higher power required?
June 20, 2013 at 7:55 pm
(June 20, 2013 at 7:51 pm)Maelstrom Wrote: (June 20, 2013 at 7:41 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: Oh? Could you please give us your a priori reasoning for thinking it to be the infallible word of God?
Did you not know it just is? You have to just accept it without question, because goodness forbid you use your mind for anything besides blind subservience to an invisible man in the sky.
Well, he implied he actually had a reason, so, I'm calling his bluff hehehe 
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RE: Why is belief in a higher power required?
June 20, 2013 at 10:49 pm
(June 20, 2013 at 7:33 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: I do not base my beliefs off of any such work; I base them off of the infallible word of God. If you’re going to assume scripture is not the word of God a priori, then I have every right to assume it is the word of God a priori, fair is fair.
You'll have to prove that your God is real before we go down that road. I can't accept that anything is the infallible word of God when there is zero evidence that your God is real.
Quote:How do you know that you have collaborated with other people and tested the information? Did you not perceive this collaboration and testing also through your senses?
Appeal to solipsism? That's what you're going with? pfffft
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RE: Why is belief in a higher power required?
June 20, 2013 at 11:52 pm
(June 20, 2013 at 7:54 pm)Rationalman Wrote: (June 20, 2013 at 7:33 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: How does it prove that?
Slavery, rape, genocide, murder. All of it, God approved.
God's punishment after He judged them evil, they had lead some of Israel to worship false gods.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Why is belief in a higher power required?
June 21, 2013 at 12:23 am
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(June 20, 2013 at 11:52 pm)Godschild Wrote: God's punishment after He judged them evil, they had lead some of Israel to worship false gods.
Since fraudo has repeatedly proven less than up to the task, perhaps you can explain to me how infants and children can be evil enough to deserve being slaughtered en masse. Go into detail about how they must have certainly been complicit in whatever crime God deemed them worthy of violent and painful death.
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