Four questions for Christians

[Consilius]

What does making the best of life involve? Is it about saving one's own skin at the cost of the lives of others? "Making the best of life" makes going on death row for serial murder a glorious going out of a life spent doing what you loved.

[Silver]

What does making the best of life involve?

Living it to its fullest.

[Ryantology]

The OT is over. finnito. gone!

Does Jesus not mention that one is still to remember the old laws?

Until the heaven and earth are no more. Which, last I checked, hadn't happened yet.

Nothing in that sermon should give anyone the impression that Jesus exempted anybody from old Mosaic law, but find a Christian who even bothers trying to live up to even the easy ones. Better hope Jesus is okay with being paid no more than lip service and a heartfelt "my bad", otherwise we're going to have every Christian on earth crowding up our hell. Which may be why it's said to be such a miserable place.

[The Grand Nudger]

The act of being punished and having your child punished are incredibly different, as I've said before.
What I've also been trying to say is that whether or not anything bad happened to the kids at all depends on what you dislike about death. Being an atheist, you percieve dying as much worse than it is in the theistic realm.

No, it does not depend on such a thing, and you and I view death in precisely the same manner. The end of this life. Death is the same for me as it is for you, and all that "makes this bad" in my opinion - is that the kids are dead - and have been killed by your god..all for a tq (at the very least). Clearly you have some inkling of how bad this is..because you're insisting that the kids got lollipops after having their throats slit.

And again, the Egyptians would have expected any just legal system to punish their children in the way they did other children.

If you insist upon deferring to the egyptians legal system as being the operative..then I guess I'll have to remind you that taking a jewish slave would not have been illegal.,..so no..they weren't being punished -for- anything that was part of their own system and would have had no reason to expect to be punished in any way for -anything- they may have done to a slave. Now we're arguing for a capricious tq'ing god, good job. Further, it doesn't matter. I wouldn't defend their laws or expectations any more readily than I would defend your god, or your fantasies of what they might expect.

We've already been over all of this.

[Consilius]

What does making the best of life involve?

Living it to its fullest.

That's rather vague. What if you get a rush from dealing in drugs?

[Silver]

What if you get a rush from dealing in drugs?

To each his own.

[Consilius]

The act of being punished and having your child punished are incredibly different, as I've said before.
What I've also been trying to say is that whether or not anything bad happened to the kids at all depends on what you dislike about death. Being an atheist, you percieve dying as much worse than it is in the theistic realm.

No, it does not depend on such a thing, and you and I view death in precisely the same manner. The end of this life. Death is the same for me as it is for you, and all that "makes this bad" in my opinion - is that the kids are dead - and have been killed by your god..all for a tq (at the very least). Clearly you have some inkling of how bad this is..because you're insisting that the kids got lollipops after having their throats slit.

And again, the Egyptians would have expected any just legal system to punish their children in the way they did other children.

If you insist upon deferring to the egyptians legal system as being the operative..then I guess I'll have to remind you that taking a jewish slave would not have been illegal.,..so no..they weren't being punished -for- anything that was part of their own system and would have had no reason to expect to be punished in any way for -anything- they may have done to a slave. Now we're arguing for a capricious tq'ing god, good job. Further, it doesn't matter. I wouldn't defend their laws or expectations any more readily than I would defend your god, or your fantasies of what they might expect.

We've already been over all of this.

Taking slaves in war might have been common for Egyptians. Not betraying those whom you had offered hospitality to. Reciprocation of offense was exactly what they expected.
You are still dodging my question which, obviously, is very important to this argument. Say I murdered another human being. Why is this a bad thing?

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What if you get a rush from dealing in drugs?

To each his own.

Say what you enjoyed was hurting other people.

[Silver]

Say what you enjoyed was hurting other people.

Again, to each his own.

Do I believe it is morally wrong to take pleasure from harming others even though that may be the only form of pleasure the person can ever experience?

Yes, it would be wrong. Why, because man made law, arisen from anthropologically sound evolution of morality and ethics, dictates that it is wrong.

[Consilius]

Man-made law is subject to change for making things more convenient.

[The Grand Nudger]

Taking slaves in war might have been common for Egyptians. Not betraying those whom you had offered hospitality to. Reciprocation of offense was exactly what they expected.

Perhaps god should have disappointed them in this regard, eh? Again, regardless of what the egyptians might have expected (and you're full of shit..in no uncertain terms - on this count) your god won't be able to escape my criticims of it's own acts in the narrative on these grounds.

You are still dodging my question which, obviously, is very important to this argument. Say I murdered another human being. Why is this a bad thing?

How many times do I have to tell you that it does not matter? Your argument will be be tq if it is, and it will be tq if it isn't.

But hey, I'll run with it, why is it a bad thing? If it isn't then what again are we hoping to point to as a poor attempt to justify the whole killing kids-as-punishment bit? You're screwing yourself left right and center on this one. I'm thrilled to see that this is what is required to make an attempt at being an apologist, please, continue.