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Attn: Theists - What would it take to prove you wrong?
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RE: Attn: Theists - What would it take to prove you wrong?
August 27, 2013 at 4:05 pm
Is his head shaped like this?

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Possibly, arguing with Sword of Christ is simply unfair.
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RE: Attn: Theists - What would it take to prove you wrong?
August 27, 2013 at 4:05 pm
Please respond or stop acting like nobody has beat the piss out of your arguments.

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RE: Attn: Theists - What would it take to prove you wrong?
August 27, 2013 at 4:16 pm
It's unfortunate Golbez (the OP) hasn't been around for awhile to discover that his question has been answered.

The answer: Not a goddamned thing.
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RE: Attn: Theists - What would it take to prove you wrong?
August 27, 2013 at 4:20 pm
Not that we needed 67 pages to figure that out.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

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RE: Attn: Theists - What would it take to prove you wrong?
August 27, 2013 at 4:27 pm


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RE: Attn: Theists - What would it take to prove you wrong?
August 27, 2013 at 5:09 pm (This post was last modified: August 27, 2013 at 5:15 pm by Sword of Christ.)
(August 27, 2013 at 4:04 pm)CleanShavenJesus Wrote: Oh, yes. If God does exist, then you would be correct in saying this. But, you and I would still be taking this on faith, not logic.

This is logical deduction I've taken you through the steps a million times. Everything that exists has been caused by something that exists but not that which caused everything to exist. This is logic and has nothing whatsoever to do with faith of any kind at all. You just work this out to the only valid conclusion it is possible to come to in light of the evidence. The evidence being that created things are an effect of a cause. You can not have an infinite series of effects that go back forever without there ever being within that chain of effects any one first cause. Where the flipping heck does faith come into this? You don't take this on faith this is rational, logical deduction that you can figure out by yourself. People of ancient cultures were able to figure this out most notably the philosophers of ancient Greece. The emphasis here being that they did not base this conclusion on faith, also bear in mind that there lived in a polytheistic culture that was not influenced by the Bible. Forget all about faith for moment and just think about this logically.
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RE: Attn: Theists - What would it take to prove you wrong?
August 27, 2013 at 5:11 pm
Your mistake is presuming creation as a necessity. Try again.
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RE: Attn: Theists - What would it take to prove you wrong?
August 27, 2013 at 5:17 pm (This post was last modified: August 27, 2013 at 5:17 pm by Sword of Christ.)
(August 27, 2013 at 5:11 pm)BadWriterSparty Wrote: Your mistake is presuming creation as a necessity. Try again.

All things that exist anywhere in reality were caused by something else that exists that brought them into existence to begin with, this is why they exist. What the bloody hell is your problem here?
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RE: Attn: Theists - What would it take to prove you wrong?
August 27, 2013 at 5:20 pm
(August 27, 2013 at 5:17 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote:
(August 27, 2013 at 5:11 pm)BadWriterSparty Wrote: Your mistake is presuming creation as a necessity. Try again.

All things that exist anywhere in reality were caused by something else that exists that brought them into existence to begin with, this is why they exist. What the bloody hell is your problem here?

Persistent Déjà vu and dizziness due to the circular arguments?
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RE: Attn: Theists - What would it take to prove you wrong?
August 27, 2013 at 5:22 pm (This post was last modified: August 27, 2013 at 5:25 pm by Sword of Christ.)
God is not one of the things that exists/was brought into existence he created everything that exists. God is the cause we're talking about that's the idea. Everything that exists has a cause. If everything doesn't have cause then it should not exist but it does, therefore the cause exists. You can't have one without the other.

You can't peal an infinite number of skins from an onion you will eventually reach the core all the skins were attached to.
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